[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
didn’t realize there were so many wankers on the boards[/quote]
They’re everywhere in the GOP Blowjob Barn. It’s unfuckingbelievable how many horses’ asses are pertrified of teh president having one fucking TV speech aimed at kids.
They should ban showing the inauguaration in schools too, just in case there’s Nazi imagery in the background.
Fucking morons.
[quote]HG Thrower wrote:
Sloth wrote:
I have no problem with it all. It’ll be cool for the kids to have the US President speaking to them. And, if it’s basically, an “education is good for you, so stay in school” deal, what’s the problem?
Its not the speech itself that bothers most people. Presidents have done this kind of speech before. It was the lesson plan that the Dept. of Education sent out with a bunch of leading questions like “What can you do to help and support the president”, and “How did the president inspire you today?”. I believe that lesson plan has since been retracted or modified. Either way, things are a bit too tense right now to be getting political with peoples kids. Its not surprising that this touched a nerve. [/quote]
Yes, it is surprising.
As another poster said, the paranoia is reaching remarkable proportions. And I don’t give a fuck what anyone says, I sincerely believe if this was a white president, even the hated Jimmy Carter, nobody would give it a second thought.
I used to be ashamed of the President every day for the last eight years. Now it looks like I’ll be just as ashamed of the rest of the country every day for the next four.
I have to laugh at you guys (especially the Europeans, Kiwis, and non-parents that think their opinions matter) that think that parents’ opinions and involvement matter LESS than the Government’s.
Enough parents called in and complained nationally that The Chosen One pulled the speech. If the administration didn’t think they were crossing a line, they wouldn’t have pulled it. This is about parental control of their government schools.
This is a beautiful example of parents pushing back at a bloated, failing institution.
10 months ago, “The President’s” involvement in government education was evil (ie. Bush enacting Teddy Kennedy’s No Child Left Behind). Now that Prez wants to address them personally, it’s fine. Maybe since he has so much time on his hands, Prez could personally write some lesson plans.
I love how people scoff at parents who want guide their children’s education. God forbid they want to review the class curriculum and lesson plan. No, you’d rather have unaccountable anonymous bureaucrats in DC dictate your children’s learning from cradle to grave.
JEATON makes great points above.
JFit-- Wankers? You gotta be kidding. Go walk your dog. You probably complain when parents don’t control their kids in public, but if they want some control of their kids’ education, they’re wankers that need to grow up. Un-fucking-real.
I don’t need to have kids to know that people are overeacting. You really think the president would have a hidden agenda to brainwash kids? Get real.
Again, steely, answer me this. Are you republican or democrat?
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I have to laugh at you guys (especially the Europeans, Kiwis, and non-parents that think their opinions matter) that think that parents’ opinions and involvement matter LESS than the Government’s.
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I love when people do this. Family Guy had a great skit about it when Brian found his son, and he kept saying, “I couldn’t IMAGINE something bad happening to him. No, NO Peter, you DON’T understand. NO, you don’t understand.”
Right. Because everyone without kids doesn’t have children in their lives that they feel the same way about. Right.
Right. The same parents that have most likely NEVER been to a board of education meeting in their ENTIRE lives. Or, really, never even vote in the school board elections. But now, NOW! they are concerned enough to really get involved. Bullshit.
Because there’s obviously a very close parallel between changing the Federal policy so that every school in the nation must teach to some bullshit standardized test and threatening to take away their funding otherwise, and making a speech on TV.
You’ve got your parties mixed up. George II did that with NCLB. Obama wants to make a speech.
And again, these are the same parents that never go to BOE meetings and never vote in the elections.
Is our children learning? I’z dunno, but they parents is hypocrites.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…your paranoia is reaching pathological proportions fellas…[/quote]
We have learned the hard way that the ideal society formulated by our Founders is simply the butt of jokes. We have a government of Goldman/JP Morgan, by Goldman/JP Morgan, and for Goldman/JP Morgan.
It is NOT an accident who happened to be one of the biggest donors to Obama’s candidacy.
“The firm tends to give most of its money to Democrats. A number of high-ranking government officials in recent years have spent part of their careers at Goldman Sachs.”
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Appealing directly to the children…while their at school? Name even one other President who has done this? Come on wacko libs who else has done this? If he wants to talk to kids why doesn’t he do it while they’re at home? Why usurp the parents authority?
This whole thing stinks…just like everything else this socialist has touched.[/quote]
Because it would be vastly more likely that students would be exposed to it at school, rather than at home, thus defeating the purpose of reaching the youth, either way you look at it opposed/for what he is doing
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
HG Thrower wrote:
Sloth wrote:
I have no problem with it all. It’ll be cool for the kids to have the US President speaking to them. And, if it’s basically, an “education is good for you, so stay in school” deal, what’s the problem?
Its not the speech itself that bothers most people. Presidents have done this kind of speech before. It was the lesson plan that the Dept. of Education sent out with a bunch of leading questions like “What can you do to help and support the president”, and “How did the president inspire you today?”. I believe that lesson plan has since been retracted or modified. Either way, things are a bit too tense right now to be getting political with peoples kids. Its not surprising that this touched a nerve.
Yes, it is surprising.
As another poster said, the paranoia is reaching remarkable proportions. And I don’t give a fuck what anyone says, I sincerely believe if this was a white president, even the hated Jimmy Carter, nobody would give it a second thought.
I used to be ashamed of the President every day for the last eight years. Now it looks like I’ll be just as ashamed of the rest of the country every day for the next four.[/quote]
This ploy is beneath someone of your intellect, Irish. Obama surrounds himself with Marxists and conspiracy nuts (one just said that white people get rid of pollution by dumping it in black peoples’ neighborhoods). To not trust someone with his very colourful (pun intended) associates and past is NOT racism.
On an aside, I just emailed the principal of my 8 year old daughter’s school and said I didn’t want her watching his speech. Guess that means I gotta go dig out my Klan robes, eh?
Look, if he deviates from a neutral “get educated” message, into some kind of ideological policy campaign, I’ll be pissed. Heck, maybe he’ll execute Pat Buchanan, Peter Schiff, and Gingrich during the event to let the kiddies know “who the enemy is” in his new America.
But, I’m a serious person. I seriously, seriously doubt Obama is going to turn this into something partisan. He’s not a drooling idiot, and his political capital isn’t THAT strong (at least not anymore). He’s a politician, and a slick one at that. I’m sure he knows when to cool his jets. He knows he’ll be pounced on in a way that rivals anything he’s experienced yet. If this ends up as something more than a “Presidential stay in school poster constest,” I’d be schocked. And, yes, outraged.
Enough debate on this for me, though. I can’t divine the outcome, so I’ll wait and see.
SteelyD
Perhaps you should pull your children from the FREE public school system. I’m sure you could have more control over a private school education.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I don’t need to have kids to know that people are overeacting. You really think the president would have a hidden agenda to brainwash kids? Get real.
Again, steely, answer me this. Are you republican or democrat?[/quote]
No, I don’t think there is a ‘hidden agenda’, but that’s not the point. The point is that parents overwhelmingly protested this and they’re being criticized for it.
re: party-- Thankfully, I am neither. What’s the difference? Why ask.
You are all acting as if only “Republicans” protested this. I had a conversation with 3 groups of parents whose kids go to the same private school as my kids. Tried and true New England Democrats, Two lawyers, a doctor, A PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHER, and a commercial fisherman between them. They’re glad that he pulled the speech, too. Why? Not because of some hidden agenda, but because they don’t like the idea of Washington ramming anything down their kids throat either.
It’s not about “hidden agendas”. It’s about parental control of schools.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
I don’t need to have kids to know that people are overeacting. You really think the president would have a hidden agenda to brainwash kids? Get real.
Again, steely, answer me this. Are you republican or democrat?
No, I don’t think there is a ‘hidden agenda’, but that’s not the point. The point is that parents overwhelmingly protested this and they’re being criticized for it.
re: party-- Thankfully, I am neither. What’s the difference? Why ask.
You are all acting as if only “Republicans” protested this. I had a conversation with 3 parents whose kids go to the same private school as my kids. Tried and true New England Democrats, Two lawyers, a doctor, A PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHER, and a commercial fisherman between them. They’re glad that he pulled the speech, too. Why? Not because of some hidden agenda, but because they don’t like the idea of Washington ramming anything down their kids throat either.
It’s not about “hidden agendas”. It’s about parental control of schools.[/quote]
WEll it’s a good thing they called their congressmen to complain after the passage after NCLB then. Gooooodd thing…
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
It’s not about “hidden agendas”. It’s about parental control of schools.[/quote]
Maybe I’m taking this out of context. But, you think there’s no hidden agenda? If so, then what’s the problem with having your kids feel like hey the prez is addressing us, cool
“Daddy, President Ob…Obam…Obomo, said you mustn’t love me because you don’t support a public option. What’s a public option?”
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
I don’t need to have kids to know that people are overeacting. You really think the president would have a hidden agenda to brainwash kids? Get real.
Again, steely, answer me this. Are you republican or democrat?
No, I don’t think there is a ‘hidden agenda’, but that’s not the point. The point is that parents overwhelmingly protested this and they’re being criticized for it.
re: party-- Thankfully, I am neither. What’s the difference? Why ask.
You are all acting as if only “Republicans” protested this. I had a conversation with 3 parents whose kids go to the same private school as my kids. Tried and true New England Democrats, Two lawyers, a doctor, A PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHER, and a commercial fisherman between them. They’re glad that he pulled the speech, too. Why? Not because of some hidden agenda, but because they don’t like the idea of Washington ramming anything down their kids throat either.
It’s not about “hidden agendas”. It’s about parental control of schools.
WEll it’s a good thing they called their congressmen to complain after the passage after NCLB then. Gooooodd thing…[/quote]
Actually, they didn’t have to, since the private schools around here weren’t affected by it. You see, they’re free to set their own curricula with parental involvement and for HALF the price per student score higher than all government schools in the state.
Remember, “NCLB” was architected and authored by the formerly amphibious Senator Ted Kennedy. That was his baby. GWB just signed it into law like a good statist.
Why do people blame Bush for that piece of shit? That was government legislation written by Kennedy and meant for Al Gore…
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Appealing directly to the children…while their at school? Name even one other President who has done this? Come on wacko libs who else has done this? [/quote]
President George H. W. Bush broadcast a speech from a Northwest Washington junior high school back in 1991.
Nice try though.
[quote]kirsching wrote:
SteelyD
Perhaps you should pull your children from the FREE public school system. I’m sure you could have more control over a private school education. [/quote]
My children have never set foot in a government school.
My wife, a nationally awarded government school Elementary Education teacher, made sure of it.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Actually, they didn’t have to, since the private schools around here weren’t affected by it. You see, they’re free to set their own curricula with parental involvement and for HALF the price per student score higher than all government schools in the state.
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Well whoopdefuckin doo.
Not everyone has the 10k a year to spend on that, though.
I don’t care who did it. It sucks no matter what- but none of these so-called “concerned parents” gave it a second thought. Talk about misplaced priorities. But oh, what about the children!! What will they think when the evil black socialist comes on the screen! He’ll read Ralph Ellison and tell them to kill their parents!
Meanwhile 3/4 of the curriculum is shit. Be worried about what the teachers do AFTER the TV goes off.
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Why do people blame Bush for that piece of shit? That was government legislation written by Kennedy and meant for Al Gore…[/quote]
Oh, what was that sign on Truman’s desk? I can’t quite recall what it says, maybe you can help me…
He signed it and defended it. He could have used one of his 25252 vetos on it if he really wanted to. So stop.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
kirsching wrote:
SteelyD
Perhaps you should pull your children from the FREE public school system. I’m sure you could have more control over a private school education.
My children have never set foot in a government school.
My wife, a nationally awarded government school Elementary Education teacher, made sure of it.[/quote]
Then when it comes to the public school curriculum why should your opinion matter anymore than my childless opinion? I pay taxes just like you.