[quote]PB Andy wrote:
good discussion guys. For someone at 18% BF I think it is just a faster way to lose fat with having carbs post-workout (not directly after, but in the meal an hour later). That way, the lifting session itself can burn some fat.
In terms of someone more advanced with a leaner physique like, Stu, pre-workout carbs are great.[/quote]
Regarding the above, one thing that I found beneficial in my fat loss efforts in the past is to stop looking at fat loss in these terms (i.e. how much fat you can burn “during” your workout, or over X short period of time). I don’t believe the body works this way, and even if it does, who gives a shit? It’s way too much effort for such minimal reward. Particularly if you’re going to undermine your muscle-building / strength-training goals in doing so.
My point is: starting to think about fat loss over the day or even week was much more effective a strategy for me over the long haul. Translation: if a pre-workout carbs+protein drink followed by a post-workout carbs+protein meal/drink is the most beneficial approach for your resistance-training goals, then do that. It’s far more important to maintain and possibly even grow muscle during the four to five hours per week window that you’re dedicating to that pursuit. Who cares what fat you burn while you’re training anyway? Your focus and efforts should be aligned to the task at hand. Worry about fat loss the remaining 163 hours of the week through smart food choices and calorie restriction.
And to answer the OP’s original question: I don’t feel that you need to “count” the carbs in your pre- and post-workout drinks against your intake goal. It’s the workout that’s causing the elevated need for carbs; that shouldn’t affect whatever you calculated your needs to be outside of training. If you determined that eating 1800 calories on a typical day would produce your desired results, would you not eat more than that on the day you hiked half way up a mountain? I hope you would.[/quote]
totally agree with you as well, and that’s what i’ve been doing, im not DYING to lose 10% in 2 weeks, im trying to find a plan, that i can stick to week in and week out. I think i’ll stick to my pre-workout, i like the body-buzz i feel from the surge of carbs and it definitely helps the intensity of my workouts. realllly appreciate all the feedback guys. STOKED to hit the gym @6 tonight.