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Pre-Fatiguing Upper Traps


#1

Hi all,

Recently I was diagnosed with an imbalance between my upper traps and my lower rhomboids (or whichever the lower muscles that retract the scapulae). Therapist recommends I strengthen those lower muscles and keep the upper traps as inactive as possible.

It THEN occurred to me...how about pre-exhausting them before every upper body workout? So, precede EVERY workout with an upper-trap holocaust, every set ending in failure, leaving them too tired to be recruited when I start the upper body work?


#2

Pre-exhausting your upper traps would actually increase the stimulation.

Perhaps it would be better to focus on strengthening those muscles which are weak.


#3

That sounds backwards.

How about doing more rows instead of working your strongest point even more?

I want bigger triceps...so I train them more often.

Why would someone looking to avoid trap stimulation work traps even harder?

Also, it sounds like your therapist is pointing out that you just haven't been training the rest of your back.

Post your back routine and your stats. Post a picture of your development if you can.

Otherwise, this thread will just get filled with random replies likely focusing on the wrong areas.


#4

Well, that's already part of the plan, she monitored my lat-pull down and found that my upper traps were working like crazy, yet my lower muscles were pretty inactive.

She got me to rebuild the mind-muscle connection so as to disactivate the upper traps (which is a surprisingly difficult thing to to!), but I haven't yet attempted it on heavy work.

My back routine is as follows....

B/o Rows

Warmup 6 reps 30Kg, 4 reps 60Kg, 1 rep 90Kg, 1 rep 100Kg

3 sets of 4-6

Same Set-rep pattern for Lat-pulldown and Seated Cable Rows.

9 (work) sets total.


#5

Upright rows, facepulls, scapular retractions... I'm sure there are tons of options you haven't considered :slight_smile:

S


#6

I'll look into what 'Facepulls' are, but DEFINITELY not Upright Rows...that's what got my Supra impinged in the first place. Granted I was keeping my elbows higher than my wrists, thus putting the shoulder joint in a suicidal angle, but I doubt it's wise to return to the scene of the crime.


#7

I definitely agree that pre-exhausting the upper traps every session is counterintuitive and counterproductive.

Why were you seeing a therapist in the first place? Were you dealing with a specific injury before she noticed the trap issue?

Check this Mike Robertson article for lower trap activation drills and pulldown progressions:
http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/top_priority_for_lower_traps

Also check the LYTP series from Nick Tumminello:
http://nicktumminello.com/2009/07/a-new-and-improved-ytwl

If you want to correct the issue ASAP, it's probably a good idea to make it your number one short-term training priority rather than trying to squeeze the corrective work into whatever program you're currently doing.


#8

I am indeed, as I wrote before your post, it's an impinged Supraspinatus, and it causes intermittent Bursitis.


#9

Is it possible that your upper traps are overactive to reduce impingement on your supraspinatus? You may need to balance out your rotators and scapular depressors to hopefully create more space for the supraspinatus. Id probably drop (or at least limit) any overhead pulls (pullups/pulldowns) and work more on horizontal rowing/pulls. I have had this kind of problem before and pullups killed my shoulders more than bench press.


#10

There are plenty of good suggestions here. Definitely DO NOT pre-fatigue traps, since pre-fatiguing will improve recruitment of those muscles in any of the exercises that follow.

If you try face pulls, make sure you pull to your mouth/chin area if you want to hit rhomboids. Pulling to the eyes will target rear delts. Going even higher will hit traps, which is absolutely not what you want to do if you are looking to avoid trap recruitment.


#11

This is intriguing, I was under the impression that only stretches could create more space. Could you elaborate on this balancing?


#12

Im not a therapist of any kind so take my advice with a grain of salt and continue to look for further ideas and options. But these cant hurt (:

IMO its a matter of getting all the muscles to work optimally. Your Supraspinatus may be overactive as well, and taking on too much workload because the muscles around it are injured/balled up with trigger points or weak. Id make sure tissue quality around the shoulder is improved via foam rolling/trigger point work/massage/art etc and then strengthening all muscles that act on the scapular and depress the humerus.

In exercise terms this is what has helped me. Rows. Face pulls. Band pullaparts. Rows. Isometric holds at peak contraction with rowing movements (sub max weights) Strict Cable External Rotations. Limiting/avoiding overhead pulls. Rows. Shoulder dislocates. Rear delt flyes. Lateral Raises while trying NOT to hold shoulders down and allowing upper traps to work naturally as part of the movement. And last but not least... Rows. I definately think favouring rowing movements for back work over vertical overhead pulling is what helped me the most though. In your case youll probably need to lower the weight until you can pull equally with all the mid back muscles and not just traps. Use straps as well so you dont end up pulling with arms as much. I like to get bands and do some Rows with them to get my mind muscle connection with the mid back. Pause and hold at top of movement and really try to feel the mid back working. Ill sometimes do a set of these followed by a set of normal rows and trade back and forth. Also I think DB rows work better for me for mid back compared to BB.

Food for thought.