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Pre Contest Build Up Cycle & Contest Prep

Hello everybody, I have been reading on here for a while now and finally decided to join in, so this is my first post.

I’m opening this thread because I have some gear related questions for my first stage appearance.

The contest is scheduled for October 2014 and I’m starting in the Juniors division (up to 23 y.o)

I’m planning on getting fairly lean at first (naturally), which should be done in a month from now and then go on a dry bulk with gear. The goal of this approach should be to minimize actual contest prep weight loss (by starting off lean and not gaining too much fat in the building process).

As for my stats:
21 y.o
6’ (186cm)
85 kg at 10% bf (dropping to 7% pre-“bulk”)

I am NOT here to get advice on being too young etc.
I’d gladly appreciate some help though as I don’t know as much as I want to by now.

Intra Cycle I am getting supervised, monitored (blood work) and treated (injections) by a medical professional.

The BASIS of the cycle should look like this:

W 1-16 Test E 250mg /week
W 4-12 Tren 200-300mg /week
On Hand I have basically every needed additional compound to aid like arimidex, nolva, HCG, etc. IF NEEDED (I’ll leave this one to be pointed out by my doctor.)

So for the questions:

  1. I want to add in Deca as well for additional bulking help. But by now I don’t really know wether its best to throw in before/during/after tren. And how long to actually get benefits. Dosage as far as I know should be higher than Test, just like with the Tren.

  2. If I would bump up the Test, do I necessarily have to adjust the Tren/Deca so it is always higher in dosage? (Im using a 250mg/ml single shot product Testoviron so I’d have to raise it to 500 mg/week because anything in between could not be stored)

  3. In the contest prep phase (W 16-24) as far is I know I should use different esthers (As I was told by more experienced lifters) like Test Prop and Tren Ace, and also things like throwing in Masteron etc. Where are the differences? Could anyone provide a good contest prep gear plan to base on to please?

For the PCT Post Contest again I’ll have my supervision look for me what I have to do to get things straight again, even though I don’t think I’m ever going to use Clomid again as I have made bad experiences in terms of libido and mood swings. Better going to run Nolva next time.

Thanks for reading!
I would really appreciate any help from your side,
thanks in advance for constructive feedback.

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[quote]owenthetrainer wrote:

Intra Cycle I am getting supervised, monitored (blood work) and treated (injections) by a medical professional.

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Just one question; if you have a “Medical Professional” why not ask him or her or did you? You seem hesitant to use the word “Physician” or “Doctor”. Not that it couldn’t happen but I never heard of a M.D. going that far.

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

[quote]owenthetrainer wrote:

Intra Cycle I am getting supervised, monitored (blood work) and treated (injections) by a medical professional.

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Just one question; if you have a “Medical Professional” why not ask him or her or did you? You seem hesitant to use the word “Physician” or “Doctor”. Not that it couldn’t happen but I never heard of a M.D. going that far.

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I did in fact write “doctor” when talking about additional compounds, I understand your concern and thanks for the response. I am in fact supervised by a licensed “physician” or doctor.
I was just trying to be diverse with the word use like in school essays haha.

@doublelung84

Sorry, I forgot to answer your actual question why I don’t ask him about the entire cycle.
I DO in fact rely on his input, but still I wanted to get some additional information on a good cycle by experienced people that got their information “in the trenches” and are therefore a good source in terms of practical usage rather than theory.
Also, in the country I live in doctors do no longer use trenbolone as a medication and deca is served in 50mg vials which doesnt really fit an appropriate muscle building dosage for bodybuilding.

So basically thats why I am asking on here.
Thanks

[quote]owenthetrainer wrote:
@doublelung84

Sorry, I forgot to answer your actual question why I don’t ask him about the entire cycle.
I DO in fact rely on his input, but still I wanted to get some additional information on a good cycle by experienced people that got their information “in the trenches” and are therefore a good source in terms of practical usage rather than theory.
Also, in the country I live in doctors do no longer use trenbolone as a medication and deca is served in 50mg vials which doesnt really fit an appropriate muscle building dosage for bodybuilding.

So basically thats why I am asking on here.
Thanks[/quote]

Got ya Bro! Things are different here in the U.S. It sounds like you have a liberal country that you reside in. Keep that location to yourself or your county will have an influx of Americans and a shortage of chicken breast.

With nothing else to add, I hope you stick around. Truthfully,with your knowledge it sounds like you should be answering the questions rather than asking them.

Why mess with Deca at that point? If this is your first cycle and you’re set on a test/tren cycle, then you’re doing it how I’ve seen it done, which is with higher tren than test. I feel like you would want to follow the adage of starting with the least amount of variables if something goes wrong.

Also, you included HCG as one of the things you “have on hand” to use. Schedule that shit in for when you shut down (I think 2-3 weeks in with test E is standard), and use it throughout the cycle until a week or so before your pct.

[quote]doublelung84 wrote:

[quote]owenthetrainer wrote:
@doublelung84

Sorry, I forgot to answer your actual question why I don’t ask him about the entire cycle.
I DO in fact rely on his input, but still I wanted to get some additional information on a good cycle by experienced people that got their information “in the trenches” and are therefore a good source in terms of practical usage rather than theory.
Also, in the country I live in doctors do no longer use trenbolone as a medication and deca is served in 50mg vials which doesnt really fit an appropriate muscle building dosage for bodybuilding.

So basically thats why I am asking on here.
Thanks[/quote]

Got ya Bro! Things are different here in the U.S. It sounds like you have a liberal country that you reside in. Keep that location to yourself or your county will have an influx of Americans and a shortage of chicken breast.

With nothing else to add, I hope you stick around. Truthfully,with your knowledge it sounds like you should be answering the questions rather than asking them.
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I laughed so hard about this answer hahaha!
Dont they use things like Deca / test etc. in America as medication?
I think quite a lot of people need test for HRT and Hypothyroidism etc.
Actually, if you came to my country, you’d be surprised how expensive the things are. Shortage of chicken breast? Did you ever pay 25+ bucks for a kilo? I wish I had a walmart type of store here with the prices. Was amazed a lot when I came to visit America (miami, las vegas, orlando).
You Americans really have amazing opportunities in terms of food diversity and golds gym etc.

I feel honored that you are saying this, thanks a lot!
Personally, I don’t really dare to give advice on this topic because its just such a difficult one.
A thousand things can go wrong, thats why Im working with a doctor on this project.
I just couldnt take responsibility in someone maybe misunderstanding what I say and then eventually messing up his hypo/gonad axis maybe even irreversibly.
I’ll definitely stick around, I love this board, and got tons of information from here, like the test/gyno sticky etc etc.
Keep it up bro
Thanks

[quote]jewishthunder wrote:
Why mess with Deca at that point? If this is your first cycle and you’re set on a test/tren cycle, then you’re doing it how I’ve seen it done, which is with higher tren than test. I feel like you would want to follow the adage of starting with the least amount of variables if something goes wrong.

Also, you included HCG as one of the things you “have on hand” to use. Schedule that shit in for when you shut down (I think 2-3 weeks in with test E is standard), and use it throughout the cycle until a week or so before your pct.

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Well, this isnt my first but second cycle. Ive already done a test prop / tren cycle at 200/200 mg/week.
It really worked wonders for my physique and I highly recommend it for anyone willing to take the risk of gear (which people probably are, considering we are in the steroids section right now.)
Anyway, Im considering the Deca to aid for the mass gain, especially to fill up my weak legs which I wasnt able to train for a while because of a small tear in the fibers.

As I stated before, Im really only looking for advice on the AAS thing, the PCT and the other lets say “non androgenic” compounds I’ll leave to my doctor to judge, according to blood levels and other symptoms.
Being curious, you personally would recommend using HCG for 21 weeks? Did I get that right?

[quote]owenthetrainer wrote:

[quote]jewishthunder wrote:
Why mess with Deca at that point? If this is your first cycle and you’re set on a test/tren cycle, then you’re doing it how I’ve seen it done, which is with higher tren than test. I feel like you would want to follow the adage of starting with the least amount of variables if something goes wrong.

Also, you included HCG as one of the things you “have on hand” to use. Schedule that shit in for when you shut down (I think 2-3 weeks in with test E is standard), and use it throughout the cycle until a week or so before your pct.

[/quote]

Well, this isnt my first but second cycle. Ive already done a test prop / tren cycle at 200/200 mg/week.
It really worked wonders for my physique and I highly recommend it for anyone willing to take the risk of gear (which people probably are, considering we are in the steroids section right now.)

Anyway, Im considering the Deca to aid for the mass gain, especially to fill up my weak legs which I wasnt able to train for a while because of a small tear in the fibers.

As I stated before, Im really only looking for advice on the AAS thing, the PCT and the other lets say “non androgenic” compounds I’ll leave to my doctor to judge, according to blood levels and other symptoms.
Being curious, you personally would recommend using HCG for 21 weeks? Did I get that right?

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where did I say 21 weeks, maybe I worded that poorly. I think for a 16 week cycle you’d use it for roughly 13 weeks.
1-16 Test
3-16 hcg