Lol it seems like you have a major problem with people not agreeing with you. Learn to be a bit more open minded. I agree id rather not start another argument with you. And i didnt say strengh wasnt the goal,i said your statement about powerlifting being all about unfairness isnt true because of the reasons i outlined.
Why should I open my mind to nonsense?
This is coming from the same guy who threw a fit when I recommended watching Chris Duffinâs video âBreathing is NOT bracingâ because he thought it might contradict what he heard elsewhere.
I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, sometimes I find out that Iâm wrong about certain things and in other cases you just have to agree to disagree. In your case, you are flat out wrong about nearly everything.
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So you are responding to my argument here according to ur previous impression of me from another forum? That and the ad hominems make it hard to take your words seriosly. Now seeing how you respond, i can imagine youll take an offense to that too and say how dare I,a kid accuse you of ad hominems and writing based on emotions.I didnt want to write this comment either seeing as how you completely derailed from the original argument and just jumped straight into how youre insulted that i told u to be more open minded. So dont respond,and spare us both the headache of dealing with the other,if i am the obstinate kid you think i am than nothing you say further will fix anything,so just leave it.
You do realize a thread doesnât occur in a bubble, right? The only difference between this place and real-life is that the interactions are digital and can be, but arenât necessarily, anonymous. Otherwise, the impression you make follows you from thread to thread. The questions you ask, your temperament, etc⊠all help others form their opinion of you and follow you around the forum no different than any real-life acquaintance.
A lot of younger / newer members seem to struggle with that reality.
Note, Iâm not siding with either of you on the topic or the nonsense the two of you are arguing about.
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You already proved yourself to be an idiot. You donât start with a blank slate when you post in another thread, and you already made a fool of yourself in this one too.
I already responded to your argument:
Iâm not even sure what we are arguing about, he just looks like he wants to pick a fight but he isnât about to win. I come here mostly to give people advice, and several people have thanked me and said they benefited. Also I ask for advice when I need it, and sometimes I do. If Iâm going to post in a forum Iâm not going to put up with shit that I wouldnât put up with in real life. I see why a lot of people stopped posting here, there are clowns who know nothing and like to type.
Dawg, youâre SALTY AS HELL about people benching more than you because they arch. This whole thread was started based on emotions.
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Wait this is the bench arch forum? Fk ppl still commenting on here? I already said i changed my mind about it,why are people still commenting herem
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yes you did. doesnât erase our memory, or the digital trail of you being an idiot at the start of the thread. WE REMEMBERRRRRRRRRRRRRR
But I actually wanted to talk about sumo vs conventional. I had this wild idea. What if, in deadlift history, sumo had actually come first? The only reason anyone calls it cheating is because it came into being after conventional. If the first guys who deadlifted had done it sumo style, Iâd bet we would be making the same arguments about conventional. âConventional isnât fair! you get to have your feet directly under your shoulders! Itâs easier off the floor! Better leverages! The biggest deadlifts in the world are conventional, itâs clearly cheating!â Except it wouldnât be called conventional, because it came 2nd. It would be called âclose stance deadliftingâ, and sumo would be called conventional.
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I did what? So youre still commenting here for the sake of annoying me even after i saw the argument of the other side and understood why i was wrong? People here tell me im obstinate but thats just pathetic.
If im not wrong partial deadlifts came before off the floor deads and we still dont make them.both equal. Not that im saying sumo particularly is cheating just replying to your specific comparison.
you did change your mind. read your quote and then read what I said. Itâs a direct response.
you said âI already said I changed m mindâ, and then I said âyes you didâ. Itâs not hard to follow the conversation.
Like I said, the second paragraph was the real reason I posted. The first part was just for fun. I donât actually care about you.
Where did you hear that from? If you can provide a source, Iâll read it. Iâve never heard this.
Keep in mind though, there actually is no such thing as actually lifting a barbell âoff the floorâ unless itâs unloaded. Every âregularâ deadlift is partial range of motion, because it is half the diameter of the plate above the ground to start. Are you saying plates used to be bigger or something? I have a hard time believing that the first deadlifts were done with the plates of a barbell sitting on platforms or something, and also being the same diameter they are today. Seems unlikely. But Iâm open to being proven wrong, if you can do it.
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Strongman used to do deads with those big wheel things on the barbells. As i said i might be wrong tho and might be mistaking it for sth else.
youâre talking about a wagon wheel deadlift, which is still a staple of strongman competition. Itâs usually done with an axle bar, which is what I imagine strongmen long ago would have been using as well.
If weâre including things that arenât actually barbells, and wheels that arenât actually plates, then we should probably also include the VERY first deadlifts, which would have been picking heavy rocks off the ground. But I donât think thatâs really in line with what weâre talking about here. Deadlifting in the modern sense involves a barbell with plates that are essentially the size that has become a standard today. It probably makes sense to just extend deadlifting history to that, unless we want to go to BC times.
Youâre getting stupider by the moment, you donât even know what you are doing. Look at the first post in this thread - which you started, you fucking fool:
So why did you reply to my post earlier when the harebrained argument you started in this thread already got shot down a long time ago?
You were hallucinating
Because i thought it was a different forum i started,which explains why i said âwait this is the bench arch forum?â. And your replies are still pathetic,you say im looking for a fight and insults in the comments but youre the one who keeps commenting on my posts.
This is a further example of your lack of intelligence.
Again, the pot calls the kettle black. You are a hypocrite and a fool.
Using barbells and calibrated plates is cheating because itâs not true to the original spirit of powerlifting.
Also:
I use a Kabuki full knurling squat bar at the gym - mad cheating
and I wear a bar grip shirt - mad cheating
I even use these at the same time - super cheating.
SSB Squat? = super duper cheating
Rack pull? Cheating
Deadlift bar instead of Stiff bar? Cheating
Bumper plates for powerlifting? Cheaters
Tape on thumbs for hook grip? Worse than roids in a tested division, even though rules allow tape up to two revolutions
Straps for training? Cheating. Straps on an axle? Super cheating
Pre workout = cheating
Food before and after workout = cheating
Proper hydration = cheating
Full night of sleep = cheating
Looking of exercise science research to train smart = cheating
Hiring a coach that most people donât have access to = cheater
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