Power of Christ

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
vroom wrote:
Only if you promise to stop posting socialist crap! Since socialism is dead, give it up and get back to Jesus.

Take a look at where you are.

You are in the politics forum on a bodybuilding site.

Give your fucking head a shake.

They should have put this under the religion forum. Oh, wait - There isn’t one.[/quote]

And praise Jebus for that. Please go to alt.annoyingsomeoneelse.com

Don’t you see that the EXACT SAME FUCKING THING happens everytime you post some stupid bullshit about your religion?

So, why keep doing it?

Ah! Because you are an irritating troll who is quickly lapsing into Mr. Push-Ups territory.

If you guys don’t like these threads, why do you read them? You can simply move on to something else. Why do you enjoy bashing Christians?

I realize that this is a politics thread. But, in America, religion is very important to most people. Why did Bush win, for ex? He appeared to be a man of religious values.

You always have the option of simply ignoring these threads. What’s the problem? Is it a compulsion, like Vroom, to be the T-Nation self-appointed censor?

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
If you guys don’t like these threads, why do you read them? You can simply move on to something else. Why do you enjoy bashing Christians?
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No one is bashing Christians. People are bashing dumbasses.

[quote]harris447 wrote:

Ah! Because you are an irritating troll who is quickly lapsing into Mr. Push-Ups territory.

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Mr Push-ups can be very original and entertaining…

Because they are clogging up the politics forum and there is nothing else left unread…

P.S. I’m not feeling that neighborly love yet!

[quote]harris447 wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
vroom wrote:
Only if you promise to stop posting socialist crap! Since socialism is dead, give it up and get back to Jesus.

Take a look at where you are.

You are in the politics forum on a bodybuilding site.

Give your fucking head a shake.

They should have put this under the religion forum. Oh, wait - There isn’t one.

And praise Jebus for that. Please go to alt.annoyingsomeoneelse.com

Don’t you see that the EXACT SAME FUCKING THING happens everytime you post some stupid bullshit about your religion?

So, why keep doing it?

Ah! Because you are an irritating troll who is quickly lapsing into Mr. Push-Ups territory.

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Why do YOU feel compelled to come on the Christian threads? If it bothers you, simply ignore those threads.

“Surprise, Surprise, Surprise, Gomer!!”

[quote]harris447 wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
vroom wrote:
Only if you promise to stop posting socialist crap! Since socialism is dead, give it up and get back to Jesus.

Take a look at where you are.

You are in the politics forum on a bodybuilding site.

Give your fucking head a shake.

They should have put this under the religion forum. Oh, wait - There isn’t one.

And praise Jebus for that. Please go to alt.annoyingsomeoneelse.com

Don’t you see that the EXACT SAME FUCKING THING happens everytime you post some stupid bullshit about your religion?

So, why keep doing it?

Ah! Because you are an irritating troll who is quickly lapsing into Mr. Push-Ups territory.

[/quote]

Good to see you back Harris. I thought you ran away after all your stupid remarks confusing theory with fact.

Aw, heck, maybe you just took a little break to sniff some glue.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
If you guys don’t like these threads, why do you read them? You can simply move on to something else. Why do you enjoy bashing Christians?

No one is bashing Christians. People are bashing dumbasses.[/quote]

Hey now. I think a Christian should make that determination!

Why don’t you define “a Christian” then…

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
harris447 wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
vroom wrote:
Only if you promise to stop posting socialist crap! Since socialism is dead, give it up and get back to Jesus.

Take a look at where you are.

You are in the politics forum on a bodybuilding site.

Give your fucking head a shake.

They should have put this under the religion forum. Oh, wait - There isn’t one.

And praise Jebus for that. Please go to alt.annoyingsomeoneelse.com

Don’t you see that the EXACT SAME FUCKING THING happens everytime you post some stupid bullshit about your religion?

So, why keep doing it?

Ah! Because you are an irritating troll who is quickly lapsing into Mr. Push-Ups territory.

Good to see you back Harris. I thought you ran away after all your stupid remarks confusing theory with fact.

Aw, heck, maybe you just took a little break to sniff some glue.
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You mean the posts where I correctly defined theory to correct all you fundie morons who keep screaming, “It’s a theory, not a fact”?

You’re incredibly predictable and boring.

[quote]harris447 wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
harris447 wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
vroom wrote:
Only if you promise to stop posting socialist crap! Since socialism is dead, give it up and get back to Jesus.

Take a look at where you are.

You are in the politics forum on a bodybuilding site.

Give your fucking head a shake.

They should have put this under the religion forum. Oh, wait - There isn’t one.

And praise Jebus for that. Please go to alt.annoyingsomeoneelse.com

Don’t you see that the EXACT SAME FUCKING THING happens everytime you post some stupid bullshit about your religion?

So, why keep doing it?

Ah! Because you are an irritating troll who is quickly lapsing into Mr. Push-Ups territory.

Good to see you back Harris. I thought you ran away after all your stupid remarks confusing theory with fact.

Aw, heck, maybe you just took a little break to sniff some glue.

You mean the posts where I correctly defined theory to correct all you fundie morons who keep screaming, “It’s a theory, not a fact”?

You’re incredibly predictable and boring.
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Uh, you should go back and read the posts dude. You still can’t admit when your wrong. So sad. Like I said before…you are a great example of what’s wrong with public education today. I feel sorry for the special-ed gym class you teach.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

No one is bashing Christians. People are bashing dumbasses.[/quote]

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

[quote]terribleivan wrote:
harris447 wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
harris447 wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
vroom wrote:
Only if you promise to stop posting socialist crap! Since socialism is dead, give it up and get back to Jesus.

Take a look at where you are.

You are in the politics forum on a bodybuilding site.

Give your fucking head a shake.

They should have put this under the religion forum. Oh, wait - There isn’t one.

And praise Jebus for that. Please go to alt.annoyingsomeoneelse.com

Don’t you see that the EXACT SAME FUCKING THING happens everytime you post some stupid bullshit about your religion?

So, why keep doing it?

Ah! Because you are an irritating troll who is quickly lapsing into Mr. Push-Ups territory.

Good to see you back Harris. I thought you ran away after all your stupid remarks confusing theory with fact.

Aw, heck, maybe you just took a little break to sniff some glue.

You mean the posts where I correctly defined theory to correct all you fundie morons who keep screaming, “It’s a theory, not a fact”?

You’re incredibly predictable and boring.

Uh, you should go back and read the posts dude. You still can’t admit when your wrong. So sad. Like I said before…you are a great example of what’s wrong with public education today. I feel sorry for the special-ed gym class you teach.[/quote]

I’ve read the posts “dude”, and ‘your’ (sic) the one who’s…

Ah, fuck it: what’s the point in arguing with you. You’ve never let facts and figures stand in your way before.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
I say this as a person who identifies myself as a Christian…

…not another Christian thread. This has been beaten to death, has nothing to do with politics, and invites some of the very worst debate from the posters here at T-Nation.

Enough, please.[/quote]

If you are a true Christian, why would you want these threads to end?

A Christian means “follower of Christ,” and so you should want to do what He says. Christ said to go into “all the world” and preach the Gospel. Part of the world today is the internet and forums such as these.

So, my “Christian” friend, what’s wrong with your walk with Christ? Do you really have a relationship with Him? If so, you should (as Christ Himself shows us in His Word) be about your “Father’s business.”

I would urge you to open your Bible and really make sure that you have eternal life and thus really are a Christian. Look at the words of Jesus:

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?” Luke 6:46

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matthew 7:21-23

[quote]A Christian means “follower of Christ,” and so you should want to do what He says. Christ said to go into “all the world” and preach the Gospel. Part of the world today is the internet and forums such as these.

So, my “Christian” friend, what’s wrong with your walk with Christ? Do you really have a relationship with Him? If so, you should (as Christ Himself shows us in His Word) be about your “Father’s business.” [/quote]

Oh oh. Another trespasser.

[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
I say this as a person who identifies myself as a Christian…

…not another Christian thread. This has been beaten to death, has nothing to do with politics, and invites some of the very worst debate from the posters here at T-Nation.

Enough, please.

If you are a true Christian, why would you want these threads to end?

A Christian means “follower of Christ,” and so you should want to do what He says. Christ said to go into “all the world” and preach the Gospel. Part of the world today is the internet and forums such as these.

So, my “Christian” friend, what’s wrong with your walk with Christ? Do you really have a relationship with Him? If so, you should (as Christ Himself shows us in His Word) be about your “Father’s business.”

I would urge you to open your Bible and really make sure that you have eternal life and thus really are a Christian. Look at the words of Jesus:

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?” Luke 6:46

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matthew 7:21-23
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Finally: the truth. All you want to do is badger people and push your views down their throats.

Stop it. It’s rude.

[quote]steveo5801 wrote:

If you are a true Christian, why would you want these threads to end?[/quote]

Several reasons.

I enjoy political debates here on T-Nation. Evangelicizing in a thread is not a debate. Further, even if there is a desire to do so, there is no need for yet another thread - there are already plenty.

If someone wants to know my perspective on religion, they can ask. If we are in a thread discussing who will win the Super Bowl, I am not going to have the audacity to start cramming my religious beliefs down someone’s throat.

Here is the inherent problem - Christ wants his followers to preach the gospel and bring it to other people. Of course he does. What you aren’t getting is that your method is actually counterproductive - a barrage of evangelism doesn’t get anyone else closer to God. Does it make you feel better about yourself? Yes. Does it actually create a constructive conversation with people regarding religion so as to possibly get them to see the value in Christianity? No - if you don’t think so, look no further than these threads.

Consider this a warning, friend - don’t question my religion. The “scare” quotes aren’t helping you out.

My relationship is just fine - and it is my business. As for my desire to spread the Gospel - I prefer to do it in a constructive way, rather than clumsily try and force the conversation into places it doesn’t want to go.

And just because someone doesn’t share your brand of tactical evangelism doesn’t mean you have earned some station to judge the value of their relationship with God.

[quote]I would urge you to open your Bible and really make sure that you have eternal life and thus really are a Christian. Look at the words of Jesus:

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?” Luke 6:46[/quote]

Somehow not wanting another useless thread on evangelism on a political forum is straying from the path of Christian duty? Laughable. Here’s why.

If anything, these type threads hurt the value of your Christian message. No one is engaging in a meaningful dialogue about God or Christianity with these clumsy threads. Again, you feel great thinking you are fulfilling your duty - but are you actually making any progress? Nope. Don’t confuse action with progress.

[quote]“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matthew 7:21-23
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Fantastic - but your efforts are doing nothing but making non-Christians hunker down and resist. Why not try and actually change some minds?

You have the ‘look busy’ approach down - doesn’t matter that you make no headway in getting the message of Christianity out, only that you break a sweat going through the motions. If you are a soldier of God, consider yourself in deriliction of duty.

This is the first time I agree with everyrthing Thunderbolt has had to say in a post. Anyone who thinks they are doing “good” by forcing their views on people that don’t care to hear it are extremely foolish and I will try my hardest to make sure that I am not grouped together with them considering how ridiculous their actions truly are.

[quote]harris447 wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
I say this as a person who identifies myself as a Christian…

…not another Christian thread. This has been beaten to death, has nothing to do with politics, and invites some of the very worst debate from the posters here at T-Nation.

Enough, please.

If you are a true Christian, why would you want these threads to end?

A Christian means “follower of Christ,” and so you should want to do what He says. Christ said to go into “all the world” and preach the Gospel. Part of the world today is the internet and forums such as these.

So, my “Christian” friend, what’s wrong with your walk with Christ? Do you really have a relationship with Him? If so, you should (as Christ Himself shows us in His Word) be about your “Father’s business.”

I would urge you to open your Bible and really make sure that you have eternal life and thus really are a Christian. Look at the words of Jesus:

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?” Luke 6:46

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matthew 7:21-23

Finally: the truth. All you want to do is badger people and push your views down their throats.

Stop it. It’s rude.
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Oh, and you don’t? What’s the difference Haris?

In your scheme of thins, you get to try to “push” your views, but I don’t have the same right?

…and you call yourself a liberal…

What’s up with that?

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:

If you are a true Christian, why would you want these threads to end?

Several reasons.

I enjoy political debates here on T-Nation. Evangelicizing in a thread is not a debate. Further, even if there is a desire to do so, there is no need for yet another thread - there are already plenty.

A Christian means “follower of Christ,” and so you should want to do what He says. Christ said to go into “all the world” and preach the Gospel. Part of the world today is the internet and forums such as these.

If someone wants to know my perspective on religion, they can ask. If we are in a thread discussing who will win the Super Bowl, I am not going to have the audacity to start cramming my religious beliefs down someone’s throat.

Here is the inherent problem - Christ wants his followers to preach the gospel and bring it to other people. Of course he does. What you aren’t getting is that your method is actually counterproductive - a barrage of evangelism doesn’t get anyone else closer to God. Does it make you feel better about yourself? Yes. Does it actually create a constructive conversation with people regarding religion so as to possibly get them to see the value in Christianity? No - if you don’t think so, look no further than these threads.

So, my “Christian” friend, what’s wrong with your walk with Christ? Do you really have a relationship with Him? If so, you should (as Christ Himself shows us in His Word) be about your “Father’s business.”

Consider this a warning, friend - don’t question my religion. The “scare” quotes aren’t helping you out.

My relationship is just fine - and it is my business. As for my desire to spread the Gospel - I prefer to do it in a constructive way, rather than clumsily try and force the conversation into places it doesn’t want to go.

And just because someone doesn’t share your brand of tactical evangelism doesn’t mean you have earned some station to judge the value of their relationship with God.

I would urge you to open your Bible and really make sure that you have eternal life and thus really are a Christian. Look at the words of Jesus:

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?” Luke 6:46

Somehow not wanting another useless thread on evangelism on a political forum is straying from the path of Christian duty? Laughable. Here’s why.

If anything, these type threads hurt the value of your Christian message. No one is engaging in a meaningful dialogue about God or Christianity with these clumsy threads. Again, you feel great thinking you are fulfilling your duty - but are you actually making any progress? Nope. Don’t confuse action with progress.

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matthew 7:21-23

Fantastic - but your efforts are doing nothing but making non-Christians hunker down and resist. Why not try and actually change some minds?

You have the ‘look busy’ approach down - doesn’t matter that you make no headway in getting the message of Christianity out, only that you break a sweat going through the motions. If you are a soldier of God, consider yourself in deriliction of duty.[/quote]

I won’t go “point by point” with you here. I will state only what the Bible says and what Jesus Himself has said.

If the results or how it looks was the standard, then Jesus’ own brand of evangelism wouldn’t be welcome here either. Remember, He was crucified for it!

God’s Word does say that whenever the Word of God is preached (and it doesn’t qualify the method) it doesn’t “return void, but accomplishes what God intends it to.” Isaiah 55:8ff.

I try to be as sweet spirited and respectful of others, and I think I allow for differing views, even though I seek to counter them with Scripural arguments.

I was not judging your relationship, I was asking you about it, because those who truly claim the name of Jesus Christ are not usually apt to criticize the “methods” of others, nor question the intent of others as you have questioned my intent and motives.

I am not “looking busy” by doing these things – I am very busy in many areas of Christian ministry and service. I do this because I can reach and discuss these things with people I have never met and (unless we have some kind of T-Nation reunion or event we all can meet) probably will never meet.

Finally, I don’t recall seeing you attack anyone else who posts threads conerning atheism, Buddism, evolution, etc. Why Christianity?