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Postworkout Antioxidant's

Hi guys, I am ninteen years of age, 5’9. 167 lbs with several years of training under my belt.

My antioxidant arsenal contains grape seed extract, greentea extract, R-ala and Now adam multivitamin (which contains some antioxidants) I read a thread where it was mentioned that some of these supplements may hinder recovery and may even add damagage. Would any of the supplements above hinder my performance and gains? Should I consume A BCAA drink postworkout followed by a protein shake? How long should I wait before I consume BCAA drink and whey protein?

I also take ZMA before bed time sometimes with Gaba.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

does your BCAA drink have carbs in it?

you need a drink that has protein+ carbs or BCAA+carbs.

the anti-oxidants u mentioned probably should not be taken right before or after training. best to wait 2 hours at least.

It’s likely the antioxidants affecting thiol reduction status (ALA, NAC) that exacerbate muscle damage.

[quote]David Barr wrote:
It’s likely the antioxidants affecting thiol reduction status (ALA, NAC) that exacerbate muscle damage.[/quote]

ahhh he’s alive! When are we going to get our next Barrticle?

[quote]hockechamp14 wrote:

ahhh he’s alive! When are we going to get our next Barrticle?[/quote]

Hey there, the last Barrticle was submitted a few months ago so it should be up any day now (fingers crossed).

Now I fully expect a comment from you when it goes up!

David, could you got into a bit more detail on how thiols exacerbate muscle damage? It seems like there are some negatives and positives to NAC and r-ALA supplementation. Any way to mitigate the negatives?

It’s really an emerging area of research so we don’t know much about it yet.

My theory is based on only two studies, which are barely related, but they are the only data of which I am aware that show increased damage from antioxidants. The funny thing is that they both used exercise and thiol reduction antioxidants.

Here’s another curveball: muscle damage is related to muscle growth, so what if any damage induced by these antioxidants actually helps! This has both medical and “meathead” implications.

For now the best defense is caution with dosages. Don’t overdo it.

[quote]Tampa-Terry wrote:
David, could you got into a bit more detail on how thiols exacerbate muscle damage? It seems like there are some negatives and positives to NAC and r-ALA supplementation. Any way to mitigate the negatives?[/quote]

[quote]David Barr wrote:
It’s really an emerging area of research so we don’t know much about it yet.

My theory is based on only two studies, which are barely related, but they are the only data of which I am aware that show increased damage from antioxidants. The funny thing is that they both used exercise and thiol reduction antioxidants.

Here’s another curveball: muscle damage is related to muscle growth, so what if any damage induced by these antioxidants actually helps! This has both medical and “meathead” implications.

For now the best defense is caution with dosages. Don’t overdo it.

Tampa-Terry wrote:
David, could you got into a bit more detail on how thiols exacerbate muscle damage? It seems like there are some negatives and positives to NAC and r-ALA supplementation. Any way to mitigate the negatives?[/quote]

What do you suggest in the way of antioxidant dose and timing?

Would it be of benefit to avoid supplemental antioxidants post-workout and use them only on rest days?