Pollsters Continue to Prove Progressives Are Right About Everything

[anon50325502]

@thunderbolt23

I’d bet the vets who lost their lives wasting away under the VA health-care model would disagree with you they they were getting “best outcomes”.

Fyi, he will just ignore this or say something nonsensical, completely irrelevant, unbelievably stupid, or all of the above. Likely all of the above.

[ActivitiesGuy]

@Zeppelin795

Let me break this down as Barney style as I can for you. Our central government was initially created “by and for the people*”. Since that time, more and more power has left the people and the states and centralized with the federal government. Allowing the government to take over what has become an essential part of life (healthcare since I’m sure you’re lost at this point) will give them even more power over Americans. This leads further away from the concept of government by and for the people.

Aren’t you the one that wants single-payer healthcare?

[polo77j]

@ActivitiesGuy

Aren’t you the one that wants single-payer healthcare?

Nah, I’m suspecting he just wants to see the world burn…

[anon50325502]

I wrote that paragraph. Zeppy still can’t figure out the quote function.

[Alrightmiami19c]

@thunderbolt23

Private insurance is a third party purchase by the very definition he uses

Well, kind of. Insurance companies aren’t just handed a bunch of money that they spend, they have to offer a product or in their case a financial tool. Government just takes money that ins’t theirs and spends it on shit they won’t use.

Insurance as is works today is absolutely a third party purchaser, you are right. Because Obamacare has the taxpayers subsidizing insurance companies and limiting choice. There is no real competition and insurance companies are spending money they didn’t really have to do anything to gain in the first place.

[Alrightmiami19c]

@Zeppelin795

When profit is used to build a monopoly, bribe politicians and limit choice. Then it is bad.

Okay.

Can you name a monopoly that has ever existed without the help of government?

We have laws pertaining to bribery of public officials. Can you think of a way to make them more effective?

Profit limiting choice? What does that mean?

[thunderbolt23]

@Alrightmiami19c

Insurance as is works today is absolutely a third party purchaser, you are right.

Good, so we agree that your Prager U tutorial is incorrect.

@Alrightmiami19c

Because Obamacare has the taxpayers subsidizing insurance companies and limiting choice.

That doesn’t make an insurance company a third party purchaser. What makes them a TPP is that they spend your money and they don’t consume the services they pay for. And as a result, you don’t have unlimited choice in your health care, nor are you getting the best deal on cost for service. All the things the libertarian robot said on your video about why a government payer is bad is the same for a private insurer. They’re both TPPs.

[Basement_Gainz]

@thunderbolt23

They’re both TPPs.

Which is why patients should pay doctors for healthcare, with no middle man. I’d gladly give $750/month to a co-op of a few thousand doctors instead of $1500/month to an insurer.

[thunderbolt23]

@Basement_Gainz

@thunderbolt23

They’re both TPPs.

Which is why patients should pay doctors for healthcare, with no middle man. I’d gladly give $750/month to a co-op of a few thousand doctors instead of $1500/month to an insurer.

That’s only a limited solution, as the co-op itself has to insure against the risk of catastrophic injury. Somebody has to be the insurer of that risk, unless you or the co-op wants to pay full freight on something like open heart surgery.

[Zeppelin795]

Maybe I’m wrong but you typically want to blame the government while leaving the corporations not culpable in any way. Where is your criticism of corporation?

Whatever dude, I’ve finally put you on ignore. I can’t take your heaping piles of shit anymore. Good strategy when your arguments don’t hold water to the evidence, run.

[Zeppelin795]

Instead of your useless and meaningless comments, why don’t you back that up with evidence. Oh I forgot, you can’t!

[Zeppelin795]

@anon50325502

I’d bet the vets who lost their lives wasting away under the VA health-care model would disagree with you they they were getting “best outcomes”.

How many? Care to provide evidence. How many citizens die or are financially destroyed because they got sick in this embarrassing healthcare system we have?

In addition the VA system is a completely socialized system. Is Medicare- For- All?

[Zeppelin795]

Question addressed.

[Zeppelin795]

If this was in one of my posts it was a mistake as this came from the consummate idiot usmccds423.

Yes, single-payer is the way to go as evidenced by the overwhelming majority of studies.

[Zeppelin795]

@polo77j

Nah, I’m suspecting he just wants to see the world burn

Coming from someone who supports policies that make the public suffer. That is rich…

[polo77j]

@Zeppelin795

Instead of your useless and meaningless comments, why don’t you back that up with evidence. Oh I forgot, you can’t!

@Zeppelin795

Coming from someone who supports policies that make the public suffer. That is rich…

project much?

[Zeppelin795]

Glad you admitted to such idiocy.

[Basement_Gainz]

You’re talking about liability insurance. Which doctors have to buy now anyway. I was jumping in on your conversation about paying for healthcare and how both governments and ins companies are TPP to some extent. I agree. Patients should pay doctors. There are a few co-ops here in the states already.

Health Co-op Offers Model for Overhaul (Published 2009)

Monthly Membership for Direct Primary Care Patients

[Zeppelin795]

@Alrightmiami19c

Government just takes money that ins’t theirs and spends it on shit they won’t use

But the public uses.

Because Obamacare has the taxpayers subsidizing insurance companies and limiting choice. There is no real competition and insurance companies are spending money they didn’t really have to do anything to gain in the first place.

A system based on RomneyCare and codified by the Heritage Foundation, I believe. First introduced by Nixon. Wow how communistic of such free-marketers.

[Zeppelin795]

Can you name a monopoly that hasn’t bribed politicians?

We have laws pertaining to bribery of public officials. Can you think of a way to make them more effective?

Outlaw corporate donations, for starters. Oh wait, that would be limiting free speech.

Profit limiting choice? What does that mean?

Medical cannabis is a perfect example. Why was Big Pharma initially against it’s legalization?