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Poliquin's Klatt Test?

I have just listened to Poliquins new CD on structural balance. During the interview he mentions that he uses the Klatt test for his lower body assessment, and also an exercise called the trap 3 for upper body.
I have googled Klatt test but found no info.Has anyone heard of the Klatt test or have any info about it? or the trap 3 exercise?
thanks

[quote]RobNZ wrote:
I have just listened to Poliquins new CD on structural balance. During the interview he mentions that he uses the Klatt test for his lower body assessment, and also an exercise called the trap 3 for upper body.
I have googled Klatt test but found no info.Has anyone heard of the Klatt test or have any info about it? or the trap 3 exercise?
thanks [/quote]

I suggest doing a Leg Internship. You learn all about the Klatt test there.

The Russian’s had already figured all this stuff out around 20-30 years ago based mainly on sqaut numbers as follows:

Clean: 80%-85% of BSQ Max
Snatch: 60%-65% of BSQ Max
FSQ: 115% of Clean Max
RDL: 110% of Clean Max
GM: 60% of Clean Max for reps
DL/Cl Pl: 115% of Clean Max

If your strength numbers weren’t close in any of the above areas, they would simply train the deficiency (Conjugate) to bring the lifter back to the structural balance point.

I love Poliquin, but I’ve yet to see anything more comprehensive than this to evaluate balance. Everything is taken into account from absolute strength, explosive strength, starting strength, hamstring strength, core strength, etc from this model.

http://www.elitetrack.com/articles/gambettaplyos.pdf

This article has some tests for the lower limb developed by a Klatt… might they be what you are looking for?

BSQ =back squat or box squat?

[quote]Dominator wrote:
The Russian’s had already figured all this stuff out around 20-30 years ago based mainly on sqaut numbers as follows:

Clean: 80%-85% of BSQ Max
Snatch: 60%-65% of BSQ Max
FSQ: 115% of Clean Max
RDL: 110% of Clean Max
GM: 60% of Clean Max for reps
DL/Cl Pl: 115% of Clean Max

If your strength numbers weren’t close in any of the above areas, they would simply train the deficiency (Conjugate) to bring the lifter back to the structural balance point.

I love Poliquin, but I’ve yet to see anything more comprehensive than this to evaluate balance. Everything is taken into account from absolute strength, explosive strength, starting strength, hamstring strength, core strength, etc from this model.[/quote]

The PICP structural balance tests are, in my opinion, superior to that used by the Russians purely on the basis that there is no technique involved. When working with untrained or poorly trained the Russian Test is useless. If one’s client base is composed of athletes who can perform the aforementioned exercises with perfect form, then these tests are valid. Unfortunately, these (athletes) are very few and far between, hence the problem.

[quote]Dominator wrote:
The Russian’s had already figured all this stuff out around 20-30 years ago based mainly on sqaut numbers as follows:

Clean: 80%-85% of BSQ Max
Snatch: 60%-65% of BSQ Max
FSQ: 115% of Clean Max
RDL: 110% of Clean Max
GM: 60% of Clean Max for reps
DL/Cl Pl: 115% of Clean Max

If your strength numbers weren’t close in any of the above areas, they would simply train the deficiency (Conjugate) to bring the lifter back to the structural balance point.

I love Poliquin, but I’ve yet to see anything more comprehensive than this to evaluate balance. Everything is taken into account from absolute strength, explosive strength, starting strength, hamstring strength, core strength, etc from this model.[/quote]

thanks for the info
Actually on the CD Poliquin states that for high level athletes he uses the olympic lifts and the variations for his lower body structural test. He uses the Klatt test for less qualified athletes (lower training age)
can you explain what DL/Cl Pl is?
thanks

[quote]Dominator wrote:
The Russian’s had already figured all this stuff out around 20-30 years ago based mainly on sqaut numbers as follows:

Clean: 80%-85% of BSQ Max
Snatch: 60%-65% of BSQ Max
FSQ: 115% of Clean Max
RDL: 110% of Clean Max
GM: 60% of Clean Max for reps
DL/Cl Pl: 115% of Clean Max

If your strength numbers weren’t close in any of the above areas, they would simply train the deficiency (Conjugate) to bring the lifter back to the structural balance point.

I love Poliquin, but I’ve yet to see anything more comprehensive than this to evaluate balance. Everything is taken into account from absolute strength, explosive strength, starting strength, hamstring strength, core strength, etc from this model.[/quote]

thanks for the info
Actually on the CD Poliquin states that for high level athletes he uses the olympic lifts and the variations for his lower body structural test. He uses the Klatt test for less qualified athletes (lower training age)
can you explain what DL/Cl Pl is?
thanks

[quote]Vyapada wrote:
http://www.elitetrack.com/articles/gambettaplyos.pdf

This article has some tests for the lower limb developed by a Klatt… might they be what you are looking for?

[/quote]

Thanks for that. It sounds like the same one Poliquin talks about. do you know of anyother info on it with pictures of the tests?
thanks

DL/Cl Pl = deadlift/clean pull

And I would imagine BSQ=back squat and not box squat cos it’s an old russian method.

[quote]RobNZ wrote:
do you know of anyother info on it with pictures of the tests?
thanks
[/quote]

Sorry mate no idea - it’s pretty much the only info I could find on it. It seems pretty straight forward so if you play around with it you’ll probably get the right idea or adapt your own.

I did spend a while trying to find anything more by Lois Klatt but there doesn’t seem to be much readily available - maybe you’ll have better luck.

DL/CL PL is “Deadlift”/“Clean Pull”, and BSQ is “Back Squat.”

I’m glad to see that Poliquin still recognizes the Russian’s method or “structural balance.” Yes, it is for more high level athletes/lifters, but I do think it’s still very applicable for anyone, at least with Quad to Hamstring strength ratio’s.

I’ve been looking for this info! Does anyone have information on the trap 3 exercise? or any idea what it is?

http://www.infinityfitness.com/videos/upper/trap3.asf

That’s the only thing I’ve seen called a Trap 3 Raise.

-Matt

The above is the correct exercise. I believe this is supposed to be the same as the external rotation for structural balance which is 10% of 1 RM close grip bench for 8 reps, is that right?

Good Morning = 60% of max clean for how many reps?

the first link (elite track) wouldnt work for me

the video posted of the trap 3 is correct. The key being do not let the shoulder dip.

the klatt test is essentially a 1 leg depth jump where the athlete needs to stick the landing. The height of the box/step should start low (6’’) and gradually be increased by 2’’. You only increase the height of the box if the athlete passes at the previous height.

The coach watches how the athlete attempts to stick the landing. For instance if the athlete’s:

  • knee caves in = weak vmo
  • hops forward = week hammies
  • bends forward at the waist = weak glutes
  • hops inward = weak adductors
  • hops outward = weak abductors
  • heel rotates in = weak hip rotators

the test ends when the athlete displays 2 or more of the above at a certain height.

hopefully that makes sense?

as for Charles and his %s, I think he gets carried away with those too often instead of focusing on getting the athlete stronger. He trains his guys too much like bodybuilders and not like athletes. I cant recall ever reading anything about speed or agility training with his guys?

[quote]HBgrappler wrote:
Good Morning = 60% of max clean for how many reps?[/quote]

That answer probably depends on classification and and the lift total itself, but I’d venture the rep range would be 3-5, maybe as high as 8 with a lower class lifter.

Thanks for the response, Dominator. Some of those numbers seem a bit strange however. They have a lifter deadlifting the same weight as they can front squat. I would think that most lifters could deadlift much more than they could front squat.

[quote]chalkclap wrote:

as for Charles and his %s, I think he gets carried away with those too often instead of focusing on getting the athlete stronger. He trains his guys too much like bodybuilders and not like athletes. I cant recall ever reading anything about speed or agility training with his guys? [/quote]

Yeah. Louis Simmons and Date Tate focus way too much on percentages and they look and lift just like bodybuilders.

Seriously, what the fuck are you talking about?