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Please Critique My Fifth Cycle

I’m 36, 6’0" 265, have been training for 20 plus years. Am looking to put on about 6 to 8 pounds from this cycle.

wks 1-10: sustanon 250mg m,w,f
wks 1-10: deca 200 mg t,th,sa
wks 1-4: anadrol 50 mg ed
wks 1-10: hcg 250iu e3d
wks 1-12: aromasin 10mg ed (maybe adex instead)
wkas 13-16: nolva 40/40/20/20 ed

Thanks.

Regarding injection frequencies… m,w,f for one compound and tu,th,sa for another is stupid.

Inject both compounds eod together and you’ll be shooting 3 or 4 times per week, instead of 6 times per week. It’ll also help keep blood levels more stable.

Read this thread about cabergoline with the use of deca

I would also frontload the deca. Are you sure you only want 50mg of anadrol? IIRC, it’s recommended dose is 100-150mg or so per day.

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
Regarding injection frequencies… m,w,f for one compound and tu,th,sa for another is stupid.

Inject both compounds eod together and you’ll be shooting 3 or 4 times per week, instead of 6 times per week. It’ll also help keep blood levels more stable.

Read this thread about cabergoline with the use of deca

I would also frontload the deca. Are you sure you only want 50mg of anadrol? IIRC, it’s recommended dose is 100-150mg or so per day.[/quote]

I’ve had bad sides with drol before but I might try 100mg.

Regarding the deca, do you think 300mg per week is ideal?

[quote]Mike823 wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
Regarding injection frequencies… m,w,f for one compound and tu,th,sa for another is stupid.

Inject both compounds eod together and you’ll be shooting 3 or 4 times per week, instead of 6 times per week. It’ll also help keep blood levels more stable.

Read this thread about cabergoline with the use of deca

I would also frontload the deca. Are you sure you only want 50mg of anadrol? IIRC, it’s recommended dose is 100-150mg or so per day.[/quote]

I’ve had bad sides with drol before but I might try 100mg.

Regarding the deca, do you think 300mg per week is ideal?
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Fair enough. Why not use dbol instead then? Don’t want a bloat?

I’ve never used deca, so I can’t comment. There are plenty of people on here who have, though, so you’ll get better answers from them.

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]Mike823 wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
Regarding injection frequencies… m,w,f for one compound and tu,th,sa for another is stupid.

Inject both compounds eod together and you’ll be shooting 3 or 4 times per week, instead of 6 times per week. It’ll also help keep blood levels more stable.

Read this thread about cabergoline with the use of deca

I would also frontload the deca. Are you sure you only want 50mg of anadrol? IIRC, it’s recommended dose is 100-150mg or so per day.[/quote]

I’ve had bad sides with drol before but I might try 100mg.

Regarding the deca, do you think 300mg per week is ideal?
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Fair enough. Why not use dbol instead then? Don’t want a bloat?

I’ve never used deca, so I can’t comment. There are plenty of people on here who have, though, so you’ll get better answers from them.[/quote]

Yeah, I generally like the strength gains on drol. When you say frontload the deca are you referring to stopping the deca before the test, starting the deca before the test, or just using more deca in the first couple of weeks in the cycle?

[quote]Mike823 wrote:

When you say frontload the deca are you referring to stopping the deca before the test, starting the deca before the test, or just using more deca in the first couple of weeks in the cycle?
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Frontloading is taking a higher initial dose (day 1) of a compound in order to get reach optimal, peak blood levels as fast as possible.

Frontload dose = (weekly dose x half life) / 7 days) + interval dose

(credit for the formula to Bill, who has posted on this topic in several previous threads)

[quote]whotookmyname wrote:

[quote]Mike823 wrote:

When you say frontload the deca are you referring to stopping the deca before the test, starting the deca before the test, or just using more deca in the first couple of weeks in the cycle?
[/quote]

Frontloading is taking a higher initial dose (day 1) of a compound in order to get reach optimal, peak blood levels as fast as possible.

Frontload dose = (weekly dose x half life) / 7 days) + interval dose

(credit for the formula to Bill, who has posted on this topic in several previous threads)
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Thanks!

300mg of ND is a fair dose.

I don’t think anyone mentioned this…ND is highly suppressive. You may consider stopping the ND at week eight, or run the sustanon out to 12 weeks before starting your PCT. Ditto on considering using caber because of the ND.

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Frontload both the test and deca.

Switch the drol to weeks 5-8.

Start the nolva mid week 13 due to the longer esters in the sus.

[quote]LillGuy001 wrote:
Frontload both the test and deca.

Switch the drol to weeks 5-8.

Start the nolva mid week 13 due to the longer esters in the sus.[/quote]

Bingo.
We have a winner. :slight_smile:

[quote]LillGuy001 wrote:
Frontload both the test and deca.

Switch the drol to weeks 5-8.

Start the nolva mid week 13 due to the longer esters in the sus.[/quote]

Why weeks 5 to 8 for the drol and not the first 4 weeks?

Stop the deca at week 8 or keep going to week 10?

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Run your test two weeks longer than your deca.

Would 12 weeks of test and 10 of deca be too long?

Not at all.

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
Regarding injection frequencies… m,w,f for one compound and tu,th,sa for another is stupid.

Inject both compounds eod together and you’ll be shooting 3 or 4 times per week, instead of 6 times per week. It’ll also help keep blood levels more stable.

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Um, no. Injected T/TH/Sa would keep blood levels just as stable as M/W/F. If the OP wanted to minimize volume versus injection frequency that is absolutely fine.

[quote]LillGuy001 wrote:
Frontload both the test and deca.

Switch the drol to weeks 5-8.

Start the nolva mid week 13 due to the longer esters in the sus.[/quote]

Why use the drol from weeks 5 to 8 instead of weeks 1 to 4??

[quote]Detroitlionsbaby wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
Regarding injection frequencies… m,w,f for one compound and tu,th,sa for another is stupid.

Inject both compounds eod together and you’ll be shooting 3 or 4 times per week, instead of 6 times per week. It’ll also help keep blood levels more stable.

[/quote]
Um, no. Injected T/TH/Sa would keep blood levels just as stable as M/W/F. If the OP wanted to minimize volume versus injection frequency that is absolutely fine.[/quote]

I’m not sure if I worded it poorly, but I meant shooting both the sust and deca EOD will be more stable than shooting sust M/W/F and deca T/Th/Sa.

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]Detroitlionsbaby wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
Regarding injection frequencies… m,w,f for one compound and tu,th,sa for another is stupid.

Inject both compounds eod together and you’ll be shooting 3 or 4 times per week, instead of 6 times per week. It’ll also help keep blood levels more stable.

[/quote]
Um, no. Injected T/TH/Sa would keep blood levels just as stable as M/W/F. If the OP wanted to minimize volume versus injection frequency that is absolutely fine.[/quote]

I’m not sure if I worded it poorly, but I meant shooting both the sust and deca EOD will be more stable than shooting sust M/W/F and deca T/Th/Sa. [/quote]

Theyre two different drugs. It’s the same exact schedule, just staggered by one day. But yes a literal EOD will be more stable than 3x/wk