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Plastics Detox

Any of you fellas know of a PROVEN way to detox plastics? I’ve been minimizing my exposure as much as possible but I’d like to take it a step further and see how it affects my hormone levels.

I’m sure there are many “products”, but like a lot of things, I’m sure they can’t all work. Any ideas/experiences? Links to info?

cueball

What does it even mean to detox plastic? I’ve never even heard of that before.

I stopped using plastic to microwave my food. I use a glass plate. I doubt using plastic is going to have a dramatic effect on your hormone levels. I think there’s a lot of paranoia out there, but I still try to avoid the stuff just to be on the same side. Besides, a glass plate for my lunch is just as functionality as a plastic one and doesn’t stain.

[quote]Digity wrote:
What does it even mean to detox plastic? I’ve never even heard of that before.

I stopped using plastic to microwave my food. I use a glass plate. I doubt using plastic is going to have a dramatic effect on your hormone levels. I think there’s a lot of paranoia out there, but I still try to avoid the stuff just to be on the same side. Besides, a glass plate for my lunch is just as functionality as a plastic one and doesn’t stain.[/quote]

If you don’t even know what it means, then how can you say it doesn’t have an effect on hormone levels? And if you think there is a bunch of paranoia about it, why did you stop using plastic in the microwave? In case the paranoids are right?

The male population today has on average 30% lower T levels than a generation ago. Largely to do with the predominence of plastics in all aspects of our life. Plastics mimic ESTROGEN. If it builds up in your body, don’t you think this would affect your hormone levels? Alligators in Florida have tiny dicks because of all the plastic containers polluting the water.

cueball

At least now you have an excuse for your small dick.

[quote]Digity wrote:
At least now you have an excuse for your small dick.[/quote]

Cute.

I couldn’t resist.

I don’t buy all that detoxing crap they try to sell. The craziest thing I’ve seen is a colonic/enema for the purposes of detoxing.
Your body naturally takes care of toxins. No need to buy something gimmicky. If your diet is healthy that’s all the detoxing you need.

I’d just avoid plastics as best you can. I don’t think all plastics are evil…but I imagine some are bad. That’s why I’m cautious, but it’s not as if I completely avoid the stuff.

That’s why I was asking about PROVEN methods. I would suspect that the plastics are not being held in the colon, rather in the liver, skin, and fat cells.

Like I said, I’ve limited my exposure but wanted to reasearch effective ways to take it a step further.

cueball

http://www.defensenutrition.com

look here - ori hofmekler is very into this subject of xenoestrogens - in our foods & environment.

an apple a day, any of the cruciferous veggies on a daily basis, drinking passionflower tea - are a few of suggested ways to help the body excrete excess estrogen if you do not want to spend an arm & leg on ori’s supplements. (i spent quite a few hours on this subject myself…)

[quote]lil_azn wrote:
http://www.defensenutrition.com

look here - ori hofmekler is very into this subject of xenoestrogens - in our foods & environment.

an apple a day, any of the cruciferous veggies on a daily basis, drinking passionflower tea - are a few of suggested ways to help the body excrete excess estrogen if you do not want to spend an arm & leg on ori’s supplements. (i spent quite a few hours on this subject myself…)

[/quote]

Thanks. I’ll check it out. Have you heard any first hand accounts of the effectiveness of his supps?

cueball

lil_azn: after looking at the link, you weren’t kidding about an arm and a leg. No info on WHAT they are either.

You say you’ve spent quiet a few hours on the subject. In what way? Formal, just looking around, or otherwise?

cueball

[quote]cueball wrote:
lil_azn: after looking at the link, you weren’t kidding about an arm and a leg. No info on WHAT they are either.

You say you’ve spent quiet a few hours on the subject. In what way? Formal, just looking around, or otherwise?

cueball[/quote]

i read quite extensively, informally of course. i looked up the ingredients in his products (i am that anal) & what others had to say on the subject. i even bought his book the anti-estrogenic diet.

Ingredients
Chrysin (5,7-Dihydroxy-flavone)150mg
Apigenin30mg
Diindolymethane60mg
Quercetin Dihydrate38mg
Resveratrol (Polygonum cuspidatum)8mg
Citrus Bioflavonoids (S. American)68mg
Polyphenols (green tea 90%)8mg
In a proprietary base of: Phytosterols, including Beta Sitosterol, Capesterol and Stigmasterol, and Asphaltum puniabiunum, Pygeum africanum bark, Piper Nigrum seed (piperine, chavicine), Turmeric (root) Curcuma longa, Fenugreek (seed) Foenum-graecum 376mg

the studies are mixed on the actual efficacy of chrysin as an anti-estrogenic. TC, i believe it was, wrote an article that included his review of chrysin. other ingredients you may recognize as being the active compounds in cruciferous veggies - broccoli, cauliflower, brussels sprouts - (DIM), REZ-V, etc, etc.

i figured bottom line is take care of the liver, kidneys - the body’s filtration system. eat balanced whole foods, watch the insulin spikes (insulin is the master hormone - that goes wacky, so will everything else) and the body can detoxify itself to a good degree. avoiding plastics (xenoestrogens) is akin to avoiding breathing, imho.

eat a small apple a day - i forget what it is, there is an active compound that binds to excess estrogen sitting in the colon, escorts it out of the body to keep the body from reabsorbing it. and fits in quite nicely as a post-work out snack.

[quote]cueball wrote:
lil_azn wrote:
http://www.defensenutrition.com

look here - ori hofmekler is very into this subject of xenoestrogens - in our foods & environment.

an apple a day, any of the cruciferous veggies on a daily basis, drinking passionflower tea - are a few of suggested ways to help the body excrete excess estrogen if you do not want to spend an arm & leg on ori’s supplements. (i spent quite a few hours on this subject myself…)

Thanks. I’ll check it out. Have you heard any first hand accounts of the effectiveness of his supps?

cueball[/quote]

not first hand, only thru his site. and of course, it would be all positive.

one more thing you may find of interest…

this is a very pertinent topic. i took steps about 2 years ago to reduce my contact with plastic.

people look at you strange when you pull out an old jam jar full of porridge, or stew or whatever, but the peace of mind is worth it. the taste is better too.

some contact with plastic is unavoidable unless you’re super rich.
my only real concern now is that the protein powders i’m consuming have all sorts of artifical preservatives sweetners etc which are basically petrochemical, same as plastic(to the best of my scientific knowledge). not mentioning any names, Biotest.

pity cos they seem to do a good job. just worried i’ll start lactating a few years down the road

Look at it this way.

If your exposure to plastic xenobiotics came from drinking water or water-containing liquid that was contained in that plastic, then these chemicals must have some water solubility. (Else they would not be in the water.) If so they will be excreted in the urine with time as well as sweated out.

So simply stopping intake and allowing some time has to do the job.

As for saying that sweeteners are petrochemical and therefore plastic and therefore estrogenic, this is not correct reasoning – the structures are NOT similar to the xenoestrogens or to estrogen itself or any estrogenic compound – and is not factually correct whatsoever.

There’s a saying that you can make anything in organic chemistry from coal, air, and water. (Might take a ridiculous number of steps but you can do it, at least for the most part.)

Does that mean that everything is like everything else in biological effect, since it can all be made from coal? (Or from oil?)

As to whether sweeteners are in fact made from oil, that is dubious at best. For example I’m sure that sucralose (Splenda) is not. But even if it were, that would say NOTHING about possible (actually non-existent) estrogenicity.

[quote]cueball wrote:
The male population today has on average 30% lower T levels than a generation ago. Largely to do with the predominence of plastics in all aspects of our life.

Plastics mimic ESTROGEN. If it builds up in your body, don’t you think this would affect your hormone levels? Alligators in Florida have tiny dicks because of all the plastic containers polluting the water.[/quote]

What reliable data sources can confirm this? For what it’s worth, I do drink my water out of 40-ounce Klean Kanteen stainless steel bottles, but these have lots of advantages beyond just xenoestrogen avoidance.

I do think this issue could be quite important, but I just feel that we should look for some proven facts rather than relying purely on speculation.

The only proven way of getting plastics out of the body is by sweating. If you have an infrared sauna in your area, I would highly suggestion trying one. I own one and I usually start sweating profusely after 10 minutes. If you want more information on it, get a copy of Dr. Sherry Roger’s book, Detoxify or Die.

To those avoiding plastics, what do your supplements come in (glass or plastic) protein powders?

I think one could quickly become paranoid, while being inconsistent too, if one takes the scare / hype too seriously.

Though I imagine that the sheer mention of “estrogenic compounds” is enough to conjure revulsion in most T-Nation readers, of even greater concern are a group of chemicals known as dioxins. When frozen, heated, or exposed to solvents, items like tupperware and other plastic food containers can leech these uber-nasty free radical compunds into your food and water.

So, if you were only slightly worried about the estrogenic compounds, be very worried about this stuff. Spend 60-80 bucks and get yourself a set of pyrex dishes for your food storage; it’s one of the best investments I’ve ever made.

[quote]jeffmart wrote:
The only proven way of getting plastics out of the body is by sweating. If you have an infrared sauna in your area, I would highly suggestion trying one. I own one and I usually start sweating profusely after 10 minutes. If you want more information on it, get a copy of Dr. Sherry Roger’s book, Detoxify or Die. [/quote]

Or try Bikram Yoga. Then you kill two birds with one stone.