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Planning for Spring Already...

Since I like to do things very far in advance… I’m planning my spring cut now so I have plenty of time to further research or make changes well in advance and compensate for the lag in time “friends” take to drop off “DVD’s”. This winter I’m running 750 test, 250 deca, 40 mg dbol run, thats all ready and waiting currently. No PCT since I’m on HRT (100mg test e, e4d). For spring, I have this planned…

week 1-10 test e 600mg/wk pinned e3d
week 3-10 tren ace 200mg/wk pinned ed
week 1-2 ECA 4 servings a day (I have some left over)
week 4-10 clen 100 or 150 mcg/day* depending on tolerance
week 1-10 Ketotifen 2mg/night

*im gettin 200mcg superclens and cutting them into 50 mcg quarters

Diet… Palumbos keto diet, w/ very slight changes.(drinking 40 grams BCAAS mixed in my water all day w/ 10 grams creatine a la the GSD)

Training… My normal HIT, which I have now changed to DC in the last few weeks. Cardio 10 ramping up to 20 minutes PWO, 30 minutes ramping up to one hour on off days.

Stats- 6’, 230, mid/high teens BF % (is it just me or does everyone somehow know there exact BF% on here?). Expecting to be in the 250 range by spring, slightly more BF.

Goals- Sub 10% BF, nothing crazy, just good abs, veins and definition and a good platform to start bulking again so I can keep my BF more reasonable in the future.

I think its pretty simple and easy cycle, not looking to do a contest, just recomp and lean out quite a bit. I want to stay away from prop as Ive seen it cripple friends, and I feel my diet will keep my water weight down.

~I’d reconsider running Prop, it can be “crippling” but you do get use to it and the pain does go away with each shot. You could then run the Tren and Test both daily for the same amount of time. But otherwise the Enanthate looks good, I’d do a 2x/week schedule myself, but that’s up to you. Really I guess I would run the Enanthate daily with the Tren: no problem just adding some to the same syringe and you’d be guaranteed stable levels and a very steady tapering of the exogenous hormone at the end. Just at 80mg or whatever your desired dose to you desired dose of Tren daily.

~I’d up the Tren dose to 300mg/week or so, I’d really recommend 50mg/day or 350mg/week as it seems to be an ideal dose as far as sides/gains. Honestly I’d at least run 40mg/day or 280mg/week. Just seems like anything less and you still get the sides, but takes a little more to get the positives. For me at least.

~You really should reconsider your Beta-2s regime. Have you tried Ketotifen? Horrible stuff, makes you so lethargic that training and Life just plain suffers. I would suggest a 3on,2off schedule and take Benedryl instead a few days a week, I like to run Benedryl on Sun and Mon as it helps get me back into the work week as far as sleep goes and the small amount helps me reap the benefits for 3 weeks it seems rather than less than 2 that I usually get.

i love you beat.

[quote]TheBeat2 wrote:
~I’d reconsider running Prop, it can be “crippling” but you do get use to it and the pain does go away with each shot. You could then run the Tren and Test both daily for the same amount of time.

But otherwise the Enanthate looks good, I’d do a 2x/week schedule myself, but that’s up to you.

Really I guess I would run the Enanthate daily with the Tren: no problem just adding some to the same syringe and you’d be guaranteed stable levels and a very steady tapering of the exogenous hormone at the end. Just at 80mg or whatever your desired dose to you desired dose of Tren daily.

~I’d up the Tren dose to 300mg/week or so, I’d really recommend 50mg/day or 350mg/week as it seems to be an ideal dose as far as sides/gains. Honestly I’d at least run 40mg/day or 280mg/week. Just seems like anything less and you still get the sides, but takes a little more to get the positives. For me at least.

~You really should reconsider your Beta-2s regime. Have you tried Ketotifen? Horrible stuff, makes you so lethargic that training and Life just plain suffers.

I would suggest a 3on,2off schedule and take Benedryl instead a few days a week, I like to run Benedryl on Sun and Mon as it helps get me back into the work week as far as sleep goes and the small amount helps me reap the benefits for 3 weeks it seems rather than less than 2 that I usually get.
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As far as the prop, I’m considering. My friend who had trouble had IP prop, which I hear has a very high BA content, and is extremely painful. So say… switch to prop 80mg/day, Tren 50 mg/day.

As far as the Beta-2s, this was really where my questions were. Ive heard on other forums that Benadryl wasnt as effective as the ketotifen. Also, as far as the on/off time, what I picked up was that with the keto, you can run the clen up to 6 weeks, although not as effectice as downregulation continues to take its toll.

Maybe Ill run 3 on 2 off, then 5 on, if theres down regulation the last couple weeks, oh well, since it would be a normal “off” time in the rotation anyway? Also, with the keto, does the lethargy last into the following day? I was planning on using 1-2mg to get to bed at night, as well as its beta-2 effects.

Also, do you think I’ll have awesome abs like the guy in your avatar? I hear girls like skinny ripped guys like that, so I dont wanna be too big…

[quote] Brook wrote:
i love you beat.[/quote]

Thanks Brook

[quote]BigSquirrel wrote:
As far as the prop, I’m considering. My friend who had trouble had IP prop, which I hear has a very high BA content, and is extremely painful. So say… switch to prop 80mg/day, Tren 50 mg/day.

As far as the Beta-2s, this was really where my questions were. Ive heard on other forums that Benadryl wasnt as effective as the ketotifen. Also, as far as the on/off time, what I picked up was that with the keto, you can run the clen up to 6 weeks, although not as effectice as downregulation continues to take its toll.

Maybe Ill run 3 on 2 off, then 5 on, if theres down regulation the last couple weeks, oh well, since it would be a normal “off” time in the rotation anyway? Also, with the keto, does the lethargy last into the following day? I was planning on using 1-2mg to get to bed at night, as well as its beta-2 effects.[/quote]
You’ll do fine with Prop or without, seems like Prop would suit your goals and the cycle a bit better, but in the end it’s up to you. Prop is my favorite, but I tend to run long-esters as my base personally.

Benedryl is not as effective as Ketotifen, but it will allow you to live a normal life, lol. That Ketotifen is some serious stuff, it will kick your ass. I personally get better results with 2-3 weeks of productive Beta-2a use where I can train my ass off and then taking some time off and repeating than I would with 5 weeks of “Ketotifen” training. A longer period of time with less intensity isn’t appealing to me. I have a friend who ran Keto with me the first time I tried the protocol and he swears it doesn’t effect him, but I see him sitting around, not wanting to do anything unless it’s a planned training day and whatnot - obviously it effects him, he’s just too stubburn to notice/admit it. Basically I’m really trying to push my opinion on you here and recommend 2-3 weeks on a 2-1 weeks off with Benadryl a few days a week. I find that I don’t need much time off, but that I quickly get “use” to beta-2a’s and find 2on,1off fits me fine.

PCT is also a good time to employ the use of an beta-2a. I would try not to run down your receptors leading into PCT, I see you thought as to the last few weeks being a regular down time, but you need to consider what state you will be in. I would think about 2on, 1off, and run it like that from the beginning and through PCT. Just a thought as I’m not really remembering/thinking about your goals in particular