[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
]I don’t discount all things traditional, just Wing Chun. There’s a reason you don’t see anyone using Wing Chun in MMA fights. Why don’t we see any of those techniques in boxing? Why aren’t people using their hands to deflect punches like in Wing Chun? Why aren’t we seeing chain punching in boxing or mma?
A lot of traditional martial arts have been made popular by kung fu movies. But movies are choreographed. Here’s a video of a fight from 1953 between 2 masters of their art. One kung fu, one TaiChi.
You can’t seriously watch this video of two different styles where both fighters throw just awful punches, and tell me that traditional martial arts don’t need to seriously be looked at. I mean they are two different arts and they are fighting the same way, and it looks like two unskilled guys fighting in the street. Any skilled boxer would have destroyed them. Also Wing Chun has been looked at a lot and that’s why I made that statement about it being impractical for fighting or there are at least better options for learning how to strike properly. You’re a boxer right, but do you think Wing Chun is better than Boxing for striking with just your hands?
I mean why do boxers keep their hands up to protect their chin? Why not just use your forearms and wrists to deflect every punch that comes at you. Why don’t boxers stop messing around and just hit someone with one clean blow knocking someone out in every fight? I mean we see guys who are black belts in TMAs taking on 5 guys and knocking them all out with one blow all the time. In movies.[/quote]
They’re all for a different purpose. TMA’s were not invented for sport, and that excuse of “Well, Why don’t they use it in MMA then!?” is just that - an excuse.
First, I love boxing, I really do, but it MUST be adapted to fight barehanded. When you put gloves on me, I generate way more force than my wrists can handle without wraps. Yea, TMA guys don’t punch with as much force, but then they don’t wrap their hands either, so it’s not really optional, is it?
And also, a large percentage of the blows taught go towards the throat or the groin or the eyes or whatever… so you’re taking away a lot of options.
These arts were not invented to go in the ring, and many of the moves they teach either hide the original purpose (many were supposed to be used with weapons, but the arts have been diluted to the point where even the teachers don’t know this), or they’re not being taught well.
If you’ve ever read “A Fighter’s Heart” (which I believe everyone on this forum should), Sam Sheridan interacts with a Tai Chi teacher who can generate more than enough power to put someone down, and it’s because his techniques are working off the same principles that boxers’ do.
I am disparaging of TMA’s often as well, don’t get me wrong, but there are guys out there that are good enough at them they could rupture organs with one blow. That tells me that it’s not the art, it’s how it’s being applied, that makes them weak. Hence, the “Find a good teacher” bit.
See, the reason I’m careful about disparaging TMA’s is because of guys like Kelly McCann, who teaches a combatives system derived from WWII combatives. A lot of this has the same kind of movements and strikes as the traditional arts did, and while some don’t work, many of them do, especially the open handed strikes, the chin jab, the counters to grabs, etc.
None of these will be allowed in MMA, but more importantly, the situations in which these moves would be effective will not arise in the octagon. In a bar, though, they will.
This is a good read about that subject, but if you want to keep talking on it, I’d suggest starting another thread so we don’t ruin this woman’s question.
