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Pharma Grade vs UGL


#1

I've never used pharma grade gear before, always just run UGLs, but I was offered some amps of pharma test te other day.

Has anyone here noticed a big difference between UGL and pharma?


#2

In theory, the difference would be in how much gear you have to run. 500mg of Pharma Test is going to give you higher test levels than 500mg of UGL Test. But again, in theory, you could run X amount of UGL gear to match Y amount of Pharma gear.


#3

How is that the case? The problem with UGL are not if there test is of better quality usually if they are being honest of the dose. I can honestly say that my TRT Test C 200 is just as effective as my home brewed 200. But I know what I put in it. The reason most people say you need extra UGL gear is because just because they say it us 250 it could be 200 or even 150 and you more or less have to take their word for it.

In theory 100mg of Test E from one place is just,as strong as 100mg of test E from another source AS LONG as it is actually what it advertised


#4

You probably know this but blood work is really the only way to know for sure.

I’ve seen guys post blood work on modest amounts of UGL gear while having crazy high Test readings.


#5

I used more than a decade ago so i doubt my imput would be relevant today. Maybe next year when i decide to use again i’ll let you know lol.

EDITED:

Scrap that. Not sure how quality control is done in your country so won’t comment.


#6

[quote]dt79 wrote:
I used more than a decade ago so i doubt my imput would be relevant today. Maybe next year when i decide to use again i’ll let you know lol.

EDITED:

Scrap that. Not sure how quality control is done in your country so won’t comment.

[/quote]

how old are you man? I thought you were a young buck. You just have such a youthful energy!


#7

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]dt79 wrote:
I used more than a decade ago so i doubt my imput would be relevant today. Maybe next year when i decide to use again i’ll let you know lol.

EDITED:

Scrap that. Not sure how quality control is done in your country so won’t comment.

[/quote]

how old are you man? I thought you were a young buck. You just have such a youthful energy![/quote]

Haha thanks. I’m 34. Had to support 2 younger brothers and run a business since my early 20s so the fun ended there. Now my 2nd brother’s helping me out so i have ample free time in which i can let all the repressed buffoonery loose lol.


#8

all depends on the supplier and where they get their raws. If you ever get a weird dosed vial like 278mg/ml or something like that, it is probably because the ugl actually tests their final product. Either that, or they want you to think they do, lol, it can be a shady game out there.


#9

I use both. I have a script for TRT and supplement here and there with ugl.

In reality, it’s so hit or miss you can’t make sweeping statements regarding ug gear. I’ve had great results from one supplier only to have shitty results on my next order. I would swear on my mother’s grave, I had a mix of properly dosed and underdosed vials from the same order. I’ve had excellent orals and lousy oils from the same supplier.

From an economic standpoint, I assume everything is underdosed. There is no way you could know the difference between 250mg/mL and 300mg/mL so I assume everybody is cutting everything. FFS, my dealer used to cut blow and I could see the clumpy mess he gave me, you really think some dude in Estonia or Indiana isn’t going to take %20 off the top if it means more $ in his pocket?

Here my 2 Kroons: take as much as you need to get the desired result and mostly ignore the dosage on the bottle. You don’t drink lager the same way you drink Scotch. You drink to achieve a desired result. Maybe it’s a buzz, maybe it’s more, but you drink accordingly. Inject the same way. Front load and reassess after 3 weeks (given the proper ester). If you’re not feeling fuller and getting pumps, up the dosage. If your nips are tingly and you’re crying like a woman, take an AI and/or cut the dosage.