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PH Stack Question


Hi guys I'm contemplating on running the following cycle:

Trenadrol 3 caps per day as suggested by the bottle. This is a type 1 steroid. Its chemical structure is 17bmethoxy trienbolone. I don't see '17a' anywhere so from my understanding this compound isn't 17 alkylated. I was considering to stack it with superdrol for a 4 week cycle (I know its methylated, it's Methasterone i.e. (2a,17a-Dimethyl-17B-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one). From my research this is a Type 2 steroid. Hence this should be a reasonable stack. My draft cycle was going to be like this:

Week1, 2, 3 and 4: 3 caps Trenadrol ED in divided doses and 20mg superdrol ED

Week 5, 6 and 7. 40/40/20 generic tamoxifen citrate (Nolvadex)

Fish oil capsules, Milk thistle, Hawthone Berry etc run through the whole cycle. Co enzyme Q10 was going to be included also. Probably will use Flameout as my fish oil supplement of choice.

This cycle is a proposed bulking cycle. Yes I know that this type of cycle could be very well used as a cutting cycle..but since it should yield solid gains and it's a cheap cycle overall I thought about giving it a shot. Would like to gain the most LBM from it.

Workout was going to consist of a 4 day split (Upperbody/lowerbody). Minimum rest, To failure type training. Relatively Low volume, more weight (rep range between 6 and 8). My body seems to respond well to such training protocol. Needless to say, with just a little help from 4AD at 200mg this workout is one tough son of a bitch. I gained some reasonable mass with this type of workout tough, but my body can't take more then 4 weeks then I'll have to switch to a higher rep scheme for a few weeks. Should be allright with juice I guess.

As far as diet goes I was going to get approx 1.5 protein per pound (322 gram protein, 400G carbs, 60 gram fats). Will play with these ratios until I find the 'sweet spot' for minimal fat gain. Well uh as you can see I may need some help regarding nutrition 'on cycle'.

I weigh 215 pounds at 5 feet 4 age 21 years old. Yep I'm a short bastard. bf % is around 19% I think. I'll cut down before running this proposed cycle. Should start my cut next week with a 2 week on and 2 week off ECA cycle (for sake of beta receptors down regulation and minimizing adrenal fatigue) while gradually reducing total carb intake and upping healthy fats.


Hey if I need to do more research just point it out. Don't wanna be a lazy ass. Thanks in advance guys.


Any comments are appreciated. It's the beauty of going through the learning process. Thanks again fellas.


Stay aware from the "tren" prohormones.

It isnt really tren, but it is progesterine based.

Recipe for problems that SERMs can not deal with.

Choose another type I.


Roger that. Thanks man.