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Petitions to Secede Flood White House

Petitions have been filed for Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/11/12/states-petition-obama-administration-to-secede/

It seems like anybody can send dumb shit like this into the White House, I personally will send a petition asking the white house to replace the bald eagle with the Pegacorn as the symbol of our nation.

Your state is among that list I posted, be on the lookout for flying horned horses.

Well we could cut a bunch of those southern states.like.LA that no one would miss. Be a money saver too theu take way more in entitlements and.pork barrel spending than they’ll ever contribute.

If at first you don’t secede, try and try again.

God 12 reminds me of 04 so much. I remember all the liberal crybabies after Bush won. They floated secession as well. I wish everyone who said they were moving to Canada if Romney (or Obama) was elected would just move already. Think of all the money we’d save on entitlements!

[quote]H factor wrote:
God 12 reminds me of 04 so much. I remember all the liberal crybabies after Bush won. They floated secession as well. I wish everyone who said they were moving to Canada if Romney (or Obama) was elected would just move already. Think of all the money we’d save on entitlements!

http://www.salon.com/2004/11/17/states_2/[/quote]

In all fairness, the bottom did fall out by the time Bush left office.

“These are the times that try men’s souls: The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.”

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Petitions have been filed for Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/11/12/states-petition-obama-administration-to-secede/
[/quote]

Heaven forbid a socialist negro stays in power.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
God 12 reminds me of 04 so much. I remember all the liberal crybabies after Bush won. They floated secession as well. I wish everyone who said they were moving to Canada if Romney (or Obama) was elected would just move already. Think of all the money we’d save on entitlements!

http://www.salon.com/2004/11/17/states_2/[/quote]

In all fairness, the bottom did fall out by the time Bush left office.[/quote]

Definitely, but the reaction from the right has been exactly like the reaction from the left was in 04.

This is interesting; so let’s talk about it a little more.

It SEEMS like people are using the same type of arguments that people use to justify not paying taxes. In other words; secession is not really PROHIBITED by the Constitution…and is actually “supported” by a broad…VERY broad interpretation of the 10th Amendment. (Again…much the same as people who argue that there is nothing required of them IN THE CONSTITUTION to pay taxes).

Interesting…if not a bit naive.

We fought one of the Bloodiest Civil Wars in the History of Man in order to preserve our “Union of States”.

  1. Did the Civil War not answer this issue of secession?

  2. If not; what did it answer?

  3. Does anyone feel that the petitioners have a valid argument? (I do not).

What say ye?

Mufasa

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
This is interesting; so let’s talk about it a little more.

It SEEMS like people are using the same type of arguments that people use to justify not paying taxes. In other words; secession is not really PROHIBITED by the Constitution…and is actually “supported” by a broad…VERY broad interpretation of the 10th Amendment. (Again…much the same as people who argue that there is nothing required of them IN THE CONSTITUTION to pay taxes).

Interesting…if not a bit naive.

We fought one of the Bloodiest Civil Wars in the History of Man in order to preserve our “Union of States”.

  1. Did the Civil War not answer this issue of secession?

  2. If not; what did it answer?

  3. Does anyone feel that the petitioners have a valid argument? (I do not).

What say ye?

Mufasa[/quote]

I’ve seen this before when the left wing had George Bush a phobia. The mere mention of GW’s name caused outrage. In short, the far right is doing what the far left did. Unfortunately however the media is not on board with picking on Obama, at least not yet. He hasn’t completely screwed up the economy yet, he’s only about 50% of the way there. If he gets his way and hikes taxes “the rich” we will fall into another recession, (please remember where you heard this). And after a few years of intense pain the press will eventually turn on him just as they did Bill Clinton over the Monic Lewinsky affair. The only thing the press likes more than sucking up to democrat Presidents is selling more papers or ad time with a really good story. By the time Obama is finished there will be no excuses (It’s Bush’s fault) and no one to blame but Obama!

But, this secession stuff is just a way for people to blow off steam. What they should be doing is what I’m doing. Figuring out how to make money when many will be losing it. Not easy in an obamaeconomy but it can be done.

I will succeed no matter what that leftist throws at me.

(You got more than you wanted here Mufasa :slight_smile:

I think the steam is boiling, people seem really pissed that Obama got reelected. More than that, people are pissed that things are still bad.

I don’t think much will change, the economy will remain in the shitter, kinda hard to think about when only 333,000 votes would have put Romney in office.

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
This is interesting; so let’s talk about it a little more.

It SEEMS like people are using the same type of arguments that people use to justify not paying taxes. In other words; secession is not really PROHIBITED by the Constitution…and is actually “supported” by a broad…VERY broad interpretation of the 10th Amendment. (Again…much the same as people who argue that there is nothing required of them IN THE CONSTITUTION to pay taxes).

Interesting…if not a bit naive. [/quote]
The Constitution is not the place to be looking - if this is serious

[quote]
We fought one of the Bloodiest Civil Wars in the History of Man in order to preserve our “Union of States”.

  1. Did the Civil War not answer this issue of secession? [/quote]
    I think it didn’t

How could a war answer something like this?

[quote]
2) If not; what did it answer? [/quote]
…Nothing?

Maybe it made a false statement that might makes right?

I dunno - but your implication is way off, imo

[quote]
3) Does anyone feel that the petitioners have a valid argument? (I do not). [/quote]
I don’t even know what their argument is, so I have no idea

But it’s not like you can ever really kill the concept itself - it is a basic human instinct that comes out under certain conditions. Almost even spontaneously sometimes

It can never be crushed, it’s best to not agitate it

I also agree with what Zeb says here

But you’ve also got to understand that the “blowing off steam” thing is not necessarily a perpetual state

That there is steam that needs to be blown is a big deal in my mind - tension is building