honestly man, Andy and Yogi are at least as knowledgeable as I am. We all have different perspectives on things as well.
For instance, Andy has talked in a number of threads about HCG and its importance. The ONLY reason I don’t is because I already have a son, and I’ve had a vasectomy. Sooooo the things HCG does are of little value to me. Doesn’t mean someone like you shouldn’t use it.
Yogi’s good with PCT. He’s run a bazillion successful PCT’s, recovered well numerous times. He’s also much better at keeping himself in check with these things than I am… I’m rather more reckless than he is, I think.
These are just a couple examples. There are plenty more, I just picked a few things out.
Bottom line is, listen to everybody. Don’t just rely on one faceless internet voice for advice. Try to get something out of everyone who responds to you.
I dunno about Andy but I’m like a bajillion times more knowledgeable than you!
Har har.
I like to think I’m moderately reckless in terms of steroids. Heaviest cycle I’ve run to date was a gram of test and some dbol. It is tempting to go up to a gram and a half but I probably never will
I ran a gram of test for like 3 months, with tren at 400 for 2 of those months, dbol before the tren. I also did a gram of test with d bol, 400 deca (I think. It was supposed to be tren but pretty sure it was deca) and halo for the last couple weeks leading up to a meet. So basically I’ve done 2 moderately big cycles. Still no more than 2 injectables at a time.
Right now it’s Test at 750, EQ at 400, no oral. Considering going 8 weeks with a gram of test, EQ 400, tren 400, plus orals. And just see how strong I can get. Put up some great numbers and retire, lol.
I did not see diminishing returns at all on the test/deca/halo/dbol cycle. I was literally getting stronger every workout up to the competition. It played out very well.
The test/tren was interesting. It worked very nicely as well. I hit PR’s in competition, but I don’t think the tren was well timed necessarily, as I was prepping for a strongman show. So I had to drop it a month out.
But yea, I’ve continued to improve with every cycle. So I’d say the returns have been reasonable.
Just out of curiosity, having exactly zero clue about any of what you guys are talking about, what would some of these stacks cost a guy? I doubt I’d ever take anything (I’m way too much of a pussy about breaking the law), but I’m genuinely curious.
There’s a lot of variation, mostly due to how close you are to the original source. but I would say the most I’ve ever spent per month on a cycle would be maybe… 250 bucks? That’s just kind of a guess. What I’m running right now, a pretty decent cycle, is under 100 per month.
Yea Yogi is using arguably ‘better’ stuff than me. I don’t have access to pharma grade. I’d consider looking for it if i wasn’t satisfied with my results to this point. But I recently paid 50 bucks per 20mL vial of test250. Sooooo that’s pretty good. Even if it’s underdosed, the price is good (and I think the dose is accurate). Ancillaries also seem to be cheaper in the US. And I don’t use HCG. So all that factors in. Pins are dirt cheap here. Pennies per pin.
I can absolutely understand that. Even at the low dose of tren I was using, it was wearing me the fuck out. I wouldn’t run it for more than 10 weeks at a time.