[quote]mephistopheles wrote:
Well, they still uses AAS, but they tend to get busted for it. Look at those countries that no long have goverment funed drug research programmmes. They have to take “regular” AAS, and take the risk of getting caught. e.g Bulgarian Weightlifting team tested positive for dbol in 2008, yeah the whole team. WADA tend to focus on certain nations, if they suddenly get really good. E.g Greece, Turky, Ukraine, India [/quote]
Not so “Elite”, once you get busted 
[quote] Brook wrote:
mephistopheles wrote:
The peptide are “current generation”, they can be detected within 24 hours of administration via blood test. So the risk is pretty low.
Consumers today demand very high standards in sport. There are money to be made in broadcasting rights, advertising, tickets etc. So basically everyone is supporting PED usage indirectly. So many professional athletes have to dope up with meet the demand. Amateur sports are even worse, those scums in IOC set the qualification standards so high, and at the same time demand strict drug testing! Well, at least no one gets tested in WSM.
I agree.[/quote]
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On this point raised by Mephis I disagree with BBB on the grounds that the demand for world records and relentless pursuit for gold medals are unrealistic standards of performance ( or aesthetics in case of BB ) and therefore demand elite supplementation. I believe the reason Marion Jones succumbed to enhancement was to be able to continue to deliver to the unrealistic demands placed upon her elite performance - she wouldn’t need to if allowed to rest long enough to recover naturally or the athletic diary allowed for her to take a break/miss an event for as long as her already elite genetics deemed necessary.
One thing is to have power another is to be able to sustain power for prolonged periods of time. Being the best today should be sufficient and let another be the best tomorrow - being the best in an imperfect body and imperfect world and staying that way is an illusion that contradicts reality, specially a reality where more and more opportunities are being given to a greater pool of talent to chose from. As we level the playing field ( we have not even gone into many underdeveloped countries to give children enough protein to think clearly let alone build muscle ) this reality will become more and more elusive. Under ideal conditions more people will come forward and have a place in the sun, so to speak.
The pressure to stay at the top endlessly under such circumstances is simply not a reality compatible with being human.
That would mean being superhuman and requires ‘supermentlation’.
This it is no different from the world of finance where high achievers making obscene amounts of money are also regular cocaine users and whatever else it takes for them to continue to meet the deadlines the system relentless places on them and secure the top jobs and the top positions.
The system sends the message that no matter how good you are, no matter how elite you are - it is never good enough. Hence, I thing this hypocrisy needs to end and some form of intelligent enhancement/supplementation should be allowed and done out in the open. The best would then be those with access to prime substances and specialists ( Noticed be given to how more athletes clocked world records in the world swimming championships just past, when more people had access to specialized swimsuits and not only Michael Phelps with the exclusive Speedo Fastskin materials ).
Allow it. Let them all have it.
And may the strongest not have his/her head blown up in the track and field, cycledrome, pitch, pool, contest, etc.
Then we can call blame on whom it really belongs; the conditional system that demands us to meet their unrealistic pursuits of perfection.
Unless there is a change in our attitude towards deficiency there will always be fraud to sustain our high minded ideals of efficiency.
If who we are is not sufficient then bring on the drugs.
There is a new drug called Hemopure which is replacing EPO. Probably no good for you and only for those doing endurance events, but there’s no test for hemopure. You can do hemopure quite safely and confidently without fear of failing a test for it if you’re like an endurance person, cos there’s no test for it.
The IOC WADA stance on PED’s turns every strength/speed/power/endurance athlete into a liar. It is absolutely disgusting what a motivated future Olympian has to do to himself ethically in order to compete.
If the IOC has a problem with drug use, we should limit events to ping pong and curling. Even archers and rifle shooters use PED’s for fucks sake.
[quote]OTS1 wrote:
The IOC WADA stance on PED’s turns every strength/speed/power/endurance athlete into a liar. It is absolutely disgusting what a motivated future Olympian has to do to himself ethically in order to compete.
If the IOC has a problem with drug use, we should limit events to ping pong and curling. Even archers and rifle shooters use PED’s for fucks sake.[/quote]
LOL!
I agree.
Yeah, archers and rifle shooters use beta-blockers to stop them being nervous and have their hands shaking when they are competing. I saw that on that film, bigger faster stronger.
Incidentally, i take beta-blockers to take the edge off in social situations in place of alcohol, cos alcohol is bad.
I also take dopaminergics such as selegeline and other nootropics such as modafinil on a daily basis, because i have to work (as a journalist) sometimes 10+ hours a day AND fit my training in, and there’s no way i can keep myself motivated and concentrate on my job if i’m doing two training sessions a day, 6 days a week AND working on my writing. That’s why i take psychoactive substances to balance my work/life and allow me to concentrate on my training without feeling metnaly fatigued. Selegeline is very good for this. These drugs are also banned by the IOC.
Shooters and Archers also smoke weeeeeeeeed to get muscle tremors down.
OP: If the athlete in question is elite level, shouldn’t he have an elite level coach, and therefor access to elite level drugs/drug programs?