[quote]Anthony Roberts wrote:
This month I believe has been his biggest sales month in history.[/quote]
Posted by John Benz at Super Muscle:
[i]posted by IBBAdmin, Feb 16 2006…
Spidey over at SM took up a collection from a few of us because we all felt this crap was snake oil … We bought a bottle from him and Spidey tested it … WE we’re right …
The test is conclusive. There is BSA in the IGF-1 and a buttload of it! The lighter signal for HSA may come from the cross-reactivity I mentioned (very likely).
We also tested it to see if it was
- receptor grade
- human IGF-1.
There was initially some ambiguity as to whether some of the IGF was porcine (pig) because of some slight cross reactivities. The diluted experiment clarified that. It is human and it is receptor grade. unfortunately, we ran out of sample before we could do the diluted run to determine if the HSA signal was just cross reactivity related or if there is actually a little HSA in there along with the gobs of BSA. I am 99% certain there is no HSA and here is why:
Pharmaceutical preps of IGF-1 do exist but they are the whole intact protein, not just the binding region (receptor grade). No receptor grade IGF or other receptor grade protein was ever developed for human use or even animal use. Receptor grade proteins are strictly used to determine binding constants and stuff like that in a petre dish. Since receptor grade was never intended for human use, it is produced in growth medium that contains BSA as a stabilizer (BSA is cheap). There would be no incentive to use more expensive HSA to stabilize something not intended for human use. When it was lyophylized (freeze dried), the BSA was included to stabilize the LR3 IGF-1. Without it, the IGF-1 would just fall apart in storage.
Lion does not make this stuff. There are only a handful of places that do make it (5 to be exact). He has to buy it from one of those companies. They all likely use BSA to stabilize their product.
This stuff isn’t fit to inject into an animal, little lone a human being.
I will try to be more clear in my expanation here: Lion’s stuff was applied to a plate with BSA antibodies in one column and HSA antibodies in another separate column. When Lion’s stuff was applied to antibodies for BSA they lit up like Chernobyl! Definite positive for BSA. There was also a lighter reaction with the HSA antibodies. This was caused by our overloading the sample and causing a little cross reactivity. BSA and HSA are very similar proteins after all.
Just for argument’s sake, let’s say that it was HSA and no BSA was present. What we would have seen is the opposite. The HSA antibodies would have lit up brightly and the BSA antibodies would have had a fainter reaction (due to cross-reactivity).
DO you see what I am saying here? There is absolutely no doubt that Lion’s LR3 IGF-1 contains BSA and a LOT of it. 100% sure; stake my life and reputation on it!
There is some slight chance that there is ALSO a little HSA in it. Since we couldn’t do the diluted run, we can’t rule that out completely. I really doubt that is the case though. Ultimately though, it doesn’t matter. The fact that there are high levels of BSA in it make this product dangerous to life and health. Any small amounts of HSA present won’t change that.
Lion has lied to you and everyone else about nearly every aspect of this product.
LION SAYS: receptor grade stuff incorporates the whole sequence for IGF-1 with a 13 amino acid side chain to prolong biological half life. It was developed for human use and is the cleanest, best stuff to use for maximum results. (paraphrasing of course)
THE TRUTH: Receptor grade IGF-1 is not the whole intact protein and was never intended to use in live animals or humans. It does not possess the same biological activity of native IGF-1 and in fact, may actually hinder one from utilizing their own IGF-1. It can only be detrimental to growth; not helpful to it.
LION SAYS: The diluent he sells is the best one because it contains the binding protein neccesary for stabilizing the IGF-1 (thus the BP in the name). All other diluents are inferior.
THE TRUTH: The diluent he sells contains no protein of any kind. It is just salt water. The BP in the name simply refers to the grade of saline. Fisher Scientific sells no less than five different grades including USP and BP grades. BP refers to British Pharmacopeia (USP stands for US Pharmacopeia).
LION SAYS: The product is completely human grade and contains no BSA (as per PM’s to Skyefire and myself on Superior Muscle).
THE TRUTH: The product, in fact, contains an enormous amount of BSA and even if it didn’t, it could not be considered “human grade” since receptor grade proteins were not developed for use in ANY living thing, little lone humans.
Something to keep in mind from one of my earlier posts on this subject. These growth mediums stabilized with BSA contain many more bovine proteins and hormones than just BSA. What they do is just add plain old bovine serum (or fetal bovine calf serum). The serum contains all the proteins and hormones you would expect to find in cow blood. Albumin is just the major protein fraction found in blood so there is more of that than any of the others. There is still going to be things like bovine insulin, bovine growth hormone, etc. A similar danger of immune response exists for all of these bovine proteins; not just the BSA.
Remember, mice injected with HSA DIE WITHIN 4 OR 5 DAYS due to massive hemmorages in their kidneys. This is due to an immune response where they begin forming antibodies to mouse serum albumin. This causes their blood to start clotting all over the place. Apparently, this first happens in their kidneys and the blood clots rupture blood vessels and they bleed to death before further immune response can clot the rest of their blood up. Looks pretty damn painful actually…
To cap it all off, Lion could well be in legal peril for trademark and patent infringement. The “Long” in Long R3 IGF-1 does not refer to the extra amino acid chain. “Long” is a trademarked name associated with the developers of the derivitization process for attaching the extra amino acid chain. By using the name “Long R3-IGF-1” to make a profit without a specific marketing agreement and permission, he is commiting trademark infringement. If he is having it made independant of the 5 companies liscensed to make it and selling it for profit, he is committing patent infringement.
EMAIL FROM LAB TO LION:
One of the scientist on my board decided to test the superior-research
IGF for bovine serum albumin (BSA) and the results came back that
there was infact a large amount of BSA in the product.
The following is what he said about BSA.
"1. Any bovine derived protein carries the risk of prion infection
(mad cow disease). Prion infections are not only incurable and
invariably fatal, they are in fact UNTREATABLE.
I would expect a severe immune response to BSA if injected into a human.
BSA solutions are not a single protein but a mixture of proteins,
hormones, etc. Many of these proteins and hormones are similar
(although not identicle) to human proteins. If a human began
developing antibodies to these bovine proteins, they might also
develop antibodies to the human equivalents. In short, the person may
develop a kind of autoimmune disease where they are developing
defensive antibodies to their own proteins and hormones. Depending of
what proteins we are talking about, this could be quite serious
indeed. If you develop antibodies to bovine insulin, chances are high
you will develop antibodies to human insulin as well. Now, you are
extremely insulin resistent. You have a form of nearly untreatable
type II diabetes."
This is also something that he sent to me that explains a little more
about the test.
"Lion’s stuff was applied to a plate with BSA antibodies in one column
and HSA antibodies in another separate column. When Lion’s stuff was
applied to antibodies for BSA they lit up like Chernobyl! Definite
positive for BSA. There was also a lighter reaction with the HSA
antibodies. This was caused by our overloading the sample and causing
a little cross reactivity. BSA and HSA are very similar proteins after
Just for argument’s sake, let’s say that it was HSA and no BSA was
present. What we would have seen is the opposite. The HSA antibodies
would have lit up brightly and the BSA antibodies would have had a
DO you see what I am saying here? There is absolutely no doubt that
Lion’s LR3 IGF-1 contains BSA and a LOT of it. 100% sure; stake my
life and reputation on it!
There is some slight chance that there is ALSO a little HSA in it.
Since we couldn’t do the diluted run, we can’t rule that out
completely. I really doubt that is the case though. Ultimately though,
it doesn’t matter. The fact that there are high levels of BSA in it
make this product dangerous to life and health. Any small amounts of
HSA present won’t change that.
I know this is terrible news and not what you want to hear but
there it is…
We need to warn people."[/i]
You can believe people who are only it for the free stuff and the money, or you can believe people that do this shit because they love it. The choice is yours. Hooker has already stated numerous times in numerous places where he falls down on the greed-o-meter.