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PCT Needed for 2On 2Off Repeat Cycles?


#1

Trying to get lock down advice on PCT for short cycles, I have been all over this forum the last 3 days and cannot find the sure answer. Is PCT needed on a short cycle? Lets say 2 on 2-3 off, 2 on 2-3 off, 2 on and 6 weeks off. When is PCT needed and what should be the set-up? Thanks in advance!


#2

I did 2on 4off a few years ago, and was doing (IIRC) PCT the first two weeks off. PCT each time consisted of a 2 week 40/20 nolva, followed by 2 weeks completely off everything before starting up again. Was using tren/test/mast blend (cut mix) and saw good results - would have been much better if I tightened up my diet, but I wasn't trying to get ripped up or anything. Also, I don't ever plan on using tren again. The stuff is awesome, but between the cardio hit and the other sides I'll go with other stuff instead.

Anyway. My 2 weeks on consisted of 1ml injections ED of the blend (150mg total per day, so 1050mg per week), ending on day 15. Took 1mg arimidex ED with it, but should have taken caber or something similar rather than what I used (Vit E, SamE, and P5P) as well.

PCT was first two weeks after injections ended, 40/20 nolvadex followed by 2 weeks completely off. Last week before starting back up was a grinder in the gym. If I was going to do it again, I would probably do 2/2 or 2/3 because of that. Also, about a month or two after the last short cycle, I felt like shit. Tired all the time, started trying to talk myself out of going to the gym, that type of shit. Did a 4 week 40/40/20/20 nolva PCt again, and that put me straight. So based on that, my recommendation to you would be when you go for that 6 weeks off, do the full 4 week PCT. Should work better than what i did. And it's up to you, but I think 2on/3off with that 2 week PCT would work really well for you. But remember to keep your in-cycle dosing high (a gram or so per week). Get in, get work done, get out and recover.


#3

basskiller (an absolute authority on steroids - check him out) recommends hCG use if you're doing several short cycles back to back


#4

do you B&C these days? Did you ever get bloodwork to see how you'd recovered from the short yins?


#5

Thanks boatguy, so if I did 2 weeks on then 2 week nolva 40/20 then 1 week nothing at all then back on for 2 weeks that should suffice as long as I only do that twice? Then after my last 2on do a normal 40/40/20/20 and at least 4 weeks with nothing before next cycle? Which the next cycle would be Test e for 10 weeks with a dbol front load in wks 1-4.


#6

Thanks boatguy,I saw you making a similar rec on another thread that's where I got the 2on 2PCT 1off and start back into the next on phase. So if I did 2 weeks on then 2 week nolva 40/20 then 1 week nothing at all then back on for 2 weeks that should suffice as long as I only do that twice? Then after my last 2on do a normal 40/40/20/20 and at least 4 weeks with nothing before next cycle? Which the next cycle would be Test e for 10 weeks with a dbol front load in wks 1-4.


#7

I did it 4-5 times in a row, forget exactly how many. Thought I had run a log all the way through, but the only one I could find was just a couple posts talking about the first shorty.

Yeah, I would think that would be more than sufficient if you are only doing it twice. Guessing you were just trying this out as 'research' so to speak, from what I understand this approach works better if you are doing several of them (hence the 4-5 I did). And then at whatever point you decide you are done with that approach, do the 4 week PCT and carry on. After only two of them, I would think 4 weeks minimum would be fine before a 10 week test cycle, but I personally would probably err on the side of caution and go more like 6 weeks. Honestly not sure if it would make much difference, but that's me.


#8

I do B&C, but it's been over a year since I did a proper cycle - so more of a self-prescribed TRT really. Still haven't gotten bloods done, I say I'm going to do it every time I'm home and then the wife manages to dick up the budget before I get home so we're a little short. THIS TIME I'm going to get it done when I'm home - started a new job with a better rotation schedule, so I know how long I'll be home (last couple trips on last job were a crap shoot).

I've been planning a Test E/EQ/Primo (most likely oral) cycle, but haven't ordered yet. Planning on 10-12 weeks, but have to figure out timing since that will coincide with travel.


#9

you suck, boatguy!

Just kidding - we're still bro's.

Would've been nice to see some bloodwork after a series of short cycles to see if the HPTA really does bounce back as quickly as Bill always claimed. I guess Bill himself is living proof that it can, but the whole n=1 thing is never all that much use