Is hcg a definite? I know I need to run Nolva and l clomid. But I’m trying to gauge whether hcg is necessary. I’m reading a lot about it causing further suppression and being pointless during pct, so should I definitely run hcg?
You don’t for sure need it, but it can help if used properly. Don’t run it concurrently with a serm (nolva). That would be counterintuitive. One should run it before the serm if choosing to use HCG.
HCG will help recovery of testicular function, but will suppress the pituitary which releases lh and FSH (lh is mostly what signals the testicles to make testosterone). HCG is very similar to lh (the male body treats them the same). So when you inject HCG, your body won’t produce as much lh and FSH (a negative feedback loop). Before your serm pct you would use it as your body is already not producing lh and FSH (you can’t really suppress something you are not producing). Then once your testicles are full and producing, you stop the HCG and add the serm to get the pituitary going. Does that make sense?
Perhaps look up a diagram of the hpta (the system that produces sperm and testosterone). Try to understand it. You will understand why one would use hcg (and when one would use it) if you understand the system.
This is fantastic advice. I’ve done a bit more research and understood the breakdown of the HPTA system. Genuinely, thank you everyone for your help. I’ve basically been relying on gym bro advice and probably overpaying for my gear for the entire time I entered the industry. Again, thank you all.
If that was me, and I was going to come off, I would probably cruise at about 100-125 mg/wk for a couple months while using HCG and or HMG. It might be useful to use triptorelin in that case as well.
I don’t like to suffer, so I would probably run the Nolva longer. Perhaps running 10 mg a day for a couple months.
I had a friend that did Test, Tren and Mast for 18 months straight. He recovered fine, but used Clomid for about 6 months to recover. I think he did the standard dosage of like 50, 50, 25, 25 for the first four weeks, then did like 12.5 mg a day for 5 months.
I don’t think you need to go this extreme, and the SERMs have sides for some people.