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PCT for 20 Week Test E 750mg ?

[quote]G0D123 wrote:

[quote]Dieseldave wrote:
I apologise for the polite tone to my message it obviously wasnt appropriate after your passive aggressive reply and the way you’ve communicated with other respected members of these boards.

I’d say it was a car crash after seeing you admit that you ate less than my nan and dropping to 250mg for a couple weeks etc wtf is that?

Anyway the fact is you have been here five minutes and are racking up your post count with bro knowledge at best, potentially misleading newbies who are here to learn from the vets. IMO these include bauber, installglass, shredtodeath, WW, PTD, Buds, RDS, Ironman, Reed, ibraga, vtballa, I’m sure there are many others I’ve missed. You could even learn a thing or two from johnnyk53.

Stick around, pay your dues, soak up the good info and research it to make sure it’s correct. This will help you help others.[/quote]

dude seriously WTF is wrong with you ? so only those people you mentioned can dish out advice and no one else ? rest all should be listening ? im not saying am some super duper pro im just sharing what i have read from the books and countless websites i have read, and its upto teh OP to decide whether he takes it or not…

and regarding my cycle lets lay it rest for a while now, ill tell you how much i maintain of my 13 kgs then we will decide whether its a “car crash” or not… this would be my last reply to you…and btw dont hijack this thread…[/quote]

NO… Many people here can dish out advice but you shouldn’t. Your “advice” has shown to be reckless and irresponsible. This is coming from possibly least knowledgeable of the folks listed above. You have been condescending to senior and respected members on this forum. You have given new posters terrible advice that could do long term damage to them.

You have proven repeatedly that you don’t know enough to give others advice. You should be seeking advice yourself still. If you continue to act as you are currently you will be run out of here quite quickly. Do yourself a favor and shut up for awhile. The fact that other new members are calling you out should tell you something. Read everything that you can find. Watch the forums and lurk but don’t type a single thing unless you have questions that you need clarified.

If you choose to ignore this advice or feel the need to be confrontational with me I will gladly watch door hit you on the way out. Listen and learn… Don’t advise

[quote]installglass wrote:

[quote]G0D123 wrote:

[quote]Dieseldave wrote:
I apologise for the polite tone to my message it obviously wasnt appropriate after your passive aggressive reply and the way you’ve communicated with other respected members of these boards.

I’d say it was a car crash after seeing you admit that you ate less than my nan and dropping to 250mg for a couple weeks etc wtf is that?

Anyway the fact is you have been here five minutes and are racking up your post count with bro knowledge at best, potentially misleading newbies who are here to learn from the vets. IMO these include bauber, installglass, shredtodeath, WW, PTD, Buds, RDS, Ironman, Reed, ibraga, vtballa, I’m sure there are many others I’ve missed. You could even learn a thing or two from johnnyk53.

Stick around, pay your dues, soak up the good info and research it to make sure it’s correct. This will help you help others.[/quote]

dude seriously WTF is wrong with you ? so only those people you mentioned can dish out advice and no one else ? rest all should be listening ? im not saying am some super duper pro im just sharing what i have read from the books and countless websites i have read, and its upto teh OP to decide whether he takes it or not…

and regarding my cycle lets lay it rest for a while now, ill tell you how much i maintain of my 13 kgs then we will decide whether its a “car crash” or not… this would be my last reply to you…and btw dont hijack this thread…[/quote]

NO… Many people here can dish out advice but you shouldn’t. Your “advice” has shown to be reckless and irresponsible. This is coming from possibly least knowledgeable of the folks listed above. You have been condescending to senior and respected members on this forum. You have given new posters terrible advice that could do long term damage to them. You have proven repeatedly that you don’t know enough to give others advice. You should be seeking advice yourself still. If you continue to act as you are currently you will be run out of here quite quickly. Do yourself a favor and shut up for awhile. The fact that other new members are calling you out should tell you something. Read everything that you can find. Watch the forums and lurk but don’t type a single thing unless you have questions that you need clarified. If you choose to ignore this advice or feel the need to be confrontational with me I will gladly watch door hit you on the way out. Listen and learn… Don’t advise
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which part of anything i said was “terrible advice that could do long term damage to them” ? be more specific… and regarding “condescending to senior and respected members” i never wanted to… but well they were acting like a douche right from teh start and all they do is use foul language all day long…

[quote]G0D123 wrote:

[quote]installglass wrote:

[quote]G0D123 wrote:

[quote]Dieseldave wrote:
I apologise for the polite tone to my message it obviously wasnt appropriate after your passive aggressive reply and the way you’ve communicated with other respected members of these boards.

I’d say it was a car crash after seeing you admit that you ate less than my nan and dropping to 250mg for a couple weeks etc wtf is that?

Anyway the fact is you have been here five minutes and are racking up your post count with bro knowledge at best, potentially misleading newbies who are here to learn from the vets. IMO these include bauber, installglass, shredtodeath, WW, PTD, Buds, RDS, Ironman, Reed, ibraga, vtballa, I’m sure there are many others I’ve missed. You could even learn a thing or two from johnnyk53.

Stick around, pay your dues, soak up the good info and research it to make sure it’s correct. This will help you help others.[/quote]

dude seriously WTF is wrong with you ? so only those people you mentioned can dish out advice and no one else ? rest all should be listening ? im not saying am some super duper pro im just sharing what i have read from the books and countless websites i have read, and its upto teh OP to decide whether he takes it or not…

and regarding my cycle lets lay it rest for a while now, ill tell you how much i maintain of my 13 kgs then we will decide whether its a “car crash” or not… this would be my last reply to you…and btw dont hijack this thread…[/quote]

NO… Many people here can dish out advice but you shouldn’t. Your “advice” has shown to be reckless and irresponsible. This is coming from possibly least knowledgeable of the folks listed above. You have been condescending to senior and respected members on this forum. You have given new posters terrible advice that could do long term damage to them. You have proven repeatedly that you don’t know enough to give others advice. You should be seeking advice yourself still. If you continue to act as you are currently you will be run out of here quite quickly. Do yourself a favor and shut up for awhile. The fact that other new members are calling you out should tell you something. Read everything that you can find. Watch the forums and lurk but don’t type a single thing unless you have questions that you need clarified. If you choose to ignore this advice or feel the need to be confrontational with me I will gladly watch door hit you on the way out. Listen and learn… Don’t advise
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which part of anything i said was “terrible advice that could do long term damage to them” ? be more specific… and regarding “condescending to senior and respected members” i never wanted to… but well they were acting like a douche right from teh start and all they do is use foul language all day long…

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Here is one instance of something you wrote.

“so my suggestion would be to start off with no ai since its your very first cycle and see where you go… if too much bloat, or itchy nipples try to do what i stated above and start at 0.25 mg eod from day one of your next cycle…”

I’ve seen a few others as well.

Telling Walkway to walk away… Bad decision. He has forgotten more than you’ll ever know about AAS. You lost any respect you ever would have had from me. You could have learned a lot from him and chose to be a condescending ass.

BTW DA is dopamine agonist. Maybe you should know these things before advising others.

[quote]installglass wrote:

Here is one instance of something you wrote.

“so my suggestion would be to start off with no ai since its your very first cycle and see where you go… if too much bloat, or itchy nipples try to do what i stated above and start at 0.25 mg eod from day one of your next cycle…”

I’ve seen a few others as well.[/quote]

estrogen plays a a part in gains so there is this belief an AI might lessen your gains… so that is a bone of contention on most forums for first cycles…ai from teh start or w8 to see if teh need arises… anything else that might have “screwed up someone elses life” ? i dont think there are any my friend…

[quote]
Telling Walkway to walk away… Bad decision. He has forgotten more than you’ll ever know about AAS.You lost any respect you ever would have had from me. You could have learned a lot from him and chose to be a condescending ass. [/quote]

i said that when he was calling everyone names and using the f word in almost every sentence he typed… if i were to learn anything at all from him it would only be the f word…

i know what a dopamine agonist is … just dint strike me when i saw it as “DA” especially since we were talking about a bulking cycle here…

maybe we should take a break from this “i should not advise people and i should take a break cause i dont know shit” thing cause no matter what anybody says if i find some one asking for help ill definitely share what i know and nobody can intimidate me in not doing so… let the op decide what he wants to take in and maybe you could point him the cons if any at all in my statement…

P.S if you keep saying something i WILL keep replying as i have nothing to do for the next few weeks… muahahahaha !

[quote]G0D123 wrote:
]P.S if you keep saying something i WILL keep replying as i have nothing to do for the next few weeks… muahahahaha ![/quote]

Childish replies like this aren’t doing you any favours.

The point is I like to think that members round here have to prove their credibility to advise others one way or another.

For instance, I feel like I could write a book on the subject with all I’ve learned in the past couple of years yet I’m always learning on these boards so am always wary of giving advice at this stage as I still don’t feel ‘qualified’ to do so.

You, however, show up all of a sudden, start a thread about your hoooooorrrrriiiiibbblllee cycle both gear and nutrition-wise and then proceed to dish out advice to everyone asking. The worrying thing is these people will listen to you because they trust the vets on these boards and some might not yet know that you are not one of them.

By giving dodgy advice you’re diluting the credibility of this forum. Maybe the mods can do something about this…

Plus you keep typing teh

[quote]G0D123 wrote:

[quote]installglass wrote:

Here is one instance of something you wrote.

“so my suggestion would be to start off with no ai since its your very first cycle and see where you go… if too much bloat, or itchy nipples try to do what i stated above and start at 0.25 mg eod from day one of your next cycle…”

I’ve seen a few others as well.[/quote]

estrogen plays a a part in gains so there is this belief an AI might lessen your gains… so that is a bone of contention on most forums for first cycles…ai from teh start or w8 to see if teh need arises… anything else that might have “screwed up someone elses life” ? i dont think there are any my friend…

[quote]
Telling Walkway to walk away… Bad decision. He has forgotten more than you’ll ever know about AAS.You lost any respect you ever would have had from me. You could have learned a lot from him and chose to be a condescending ass. [/quote]

i said that when he was calling everyone names and using the f word in almost every sentence he typed… if i were to learn anything at all from him it would only be the f word…

i know what a dopamine agonist is … just dint strike me when i saw it as “DA” especially since we were talking about a bulking cycle here…

maybe we should take a break from this “i should not advise people and i should take a break cause i dont know shit” thing cause no matter what anybody says if i find some one asking for help ill definitely share what i know and nobody can intimidate me in not doing so… let the op decide what he wants to take in and maybe you could point him the cons if any at all in my statement…

P.S if you keep saying something i WILL keep replying as i have nothing to do for the next few weeks… muahahahaha ![/quote]

I hope the mods put a stop to you. None of the members can stop you. That’s true… Unfortunately.

Being ignorant and childish will get you nowhere. It does prove your ignorance though. Thanks for the help! I’m glad you have nothing to do the next few weeks. I’d recommend using google and researching AAS. Chiming in on this board with ignorant, foolish, uneducated advice AND telling others to CORRECT your bad advice is not what you should spend your time on. I could also recommend working on your typing. I mean with all that time and all, maybe you could work on your weak points.

I guess I will bother to correct you about the AI too. There aren’t very many places where there is contention about using an AI. Just because YOU read it somewhere doesn’t automatically make it true. I read that if you pin your AAS into your dick you’ll get better results. Maybe you should try that. You know, it’s on the internet. Honestly, there is some truth in your statement but it’s misguided. Estrogen plays a role in gains, TRUE. However you want to have somewhere near your normal level of estrogen. Do you have any idea what the repercussions are of high estrogen? Gyno, fatigue, loss of muscle tone, increased body fat, loss of libido and sexual function and an enlarged prostate. This isn’t even getting to the long term effects. Do you know what Testosterone converts to? Estrogen. Using supra physiological doses of Test highly elevates your estrogen to dangerous levels. An AI will bring those levels back down. Bringing the levels too low can possibly hinder gains but bringing them to healthy level is exactly whats needed.

I urge you AGAIN stop talking.

[quote]Dieseldave wrote:

[quote]G0D123 wrote:

Plus you keep typing teh[/quote]

lol i type fast and it keeps coming just stuck with it…

Taper off the test. Look for the Test taper protocol.

Deca is a horrible drug IMO and should not be used (that ester anyway).

SB

[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Taper off the test. Look for the Test taper protocol.

Deca is a horrible drug IMO and should not be used (that ester anyway).

SB[/quote]

I don’t think that deca is such a bad drug. Any one I have met with extreme shutdown from deca did not use a DA. Elevated levels of prolactin could explain the deca dick and bad mood and the long recovery time.

[quote]niksamaras wrote:

[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
Taper off the test. Look for the Test taper protocol.

Deca is a horrible drug IMO and should not be used (that ester anyway).

SB[/quote]

I don’t think that deca is such a bad drug. Any one I have met with extreme shutdown from deca did not use a DA. Elevated levels of prolactin could explain the deca dick and bad mood and the long recovery time.[/quote]

I agree but the long use of the DA needed to keep prolactin levels normal is not worth the use of the drug in the first place. If an individual is responsive to Nandrolone but also susceptible to the ill effects of it, they should consider using NPP instead.

SB

Apologies for the severe threadjack OP but some things just have to be said…

And above are two posters I forgot in my personal ‘approved advice giver’ list. You guys should post more often, it’s very effective in drowning out some of the stupid around here.

What’s rbc / haematocrit like right now? Sending no signals to the hpta for 20 weeks is plain dumb.