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PCT for 20 Week Test E 750mg ?

#6

[quote]Gondalf wrote:
Age : 20
Weight : 170
Year of trainning : 1

This is my first cycle,
Week 1-17 test E 375mg E3D
Week 1-4 Dbol 40mg Every day
Week 7-17 deca 300mg E3D

I know its a big and long cycle for my age but im now at week 10 and i will finish it.

Im not shure want to do for my PCT and I would like to have some help from you ?

Its my first post and im not pretty good in english so if you need more information or something just ask it will help me!

Thank you ![/quote]

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too looong for a total newbie… stop at week 10 like he said or drop deca now and stop at week 12 and do a normal pct

if you still continue to go ahead i have no idea about your pct…

you should have fixed all this before you went on gear my friend…

#7

No sense in even talking about your stats but a few things.

Any AI on cycle?
Any hcg?
What about a DA?

Your gonna want to let that deca clear out before you start pct I suggest at the minimum run the test one week longer. IMO I would run test 4 weeks longer than the deca, but that’s me. Start pct 3 weeks after your last pin. I always like to taper off the serms after pct. Also running a low dose AI such as adex or aromasin during pct while tapering down throughout pct.

Clomid 100/100/50/50/25/12.5
Nolva 40/40/20/20/10/5

Not very wise to start a cycle without a pct planned.

#8

[quote]BUDs wrote:

What about a DA?

[/quote]

DA ?

#9

[quote]Gondalf wrote:
Result are good i did not take a lot of weigh only like 10 but my ‘‘shape’’ is a lot better[/quote]

so your nutrition sucks big floppy donkey dick…

#10

you might consider using ldn from now on to the end of pct

#11

[quote]Gondalf wrote:
Age : 20
Weight : 170
Year of trainning : 1

This is my first cycle,
Week 1-17 test E 375mg E3D
Week 1-4 Dbol 40mg Every day
Week 7-17 deca 300mg E3D

I know its a big and long cycle for my age but im now at week 10 and i will finish it.

Im not shure want to do for my PCT and I would like to have some help from you ?

Its my first post and im not pretty good in english so if you need more information or something just ask it will help me!

Thank you ![/quote]

Put on your thinking cap. These are a must read:

#12

[quote]BUDs wrote:
No sense in even talking about your stats but a few things.

Any AI on cycle?
Any hcg?
What about a DA?

Your gonna want to let that deca clear out before you start pct I suggest at the minimum run the test one week longer. IMO I would run test 4 weeks longer than the deca, but that’s me. Start pct 3 weeks after your last pin. I always like to taper off the serms after pct. Also running a low dose AI such as adex or aromasin during pct while tapering down throughout pct.

Clomid 100/100/50/50/25/12.5
Nolva 40/40/20/20/10/5

Not very wise to start a cycle without a pct planned.[/quote]

No I do not take any AI on cycle but I have some adex and I have not plannex to use hcg during my cycle i was suposed to start hcg at week 17 for 2-3 week and use clomid at week 19 for 3 week

#13

Well the good news is that with every pin theres a greater chance you won’t procreate.

#14

[quote]lbraga wrote:
Well the good news is that with every pin theres a greater chance you won’t procreate.[/quote]

ROFLMAO !! epic one !! made my day !

#15

[quote]G0D123 wrote:

[quote]BUDs wrote:

What about a DA?

[/quote]

DA ? [/quote]

I assume he means a dopamine agonist

No offence, I’ve noticed you dishing out lots of advice lately and you SEEM like you know what you’re talking about most of the time but I can’t seem to separate that from the fact you made a thread about how you were disappointed with your first cycle and you clearly balls’d nearly everything up, I mean the cycle was a CAR CRASH! It makes me question your credibility when giving advice.

I’m sure you’re a nice guy and everything but its been eating at me after seeing you post a lot lately

#16

[quote]lbraga wrote:
Well the good news is that with every pin theres a greater chance you won’t procreate.[/quote]

not necessarily, but funny nonetheless

#17

You spent money for gear, spend some for your personal health:

http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/ItemLC100012/Male-Basic-Hormone-Panel-Blood-Test.html

I’d like to know how your estradiol and free test numbers are at this juncture.

#18

[quote]Dieseldave wrote:

[quote]G0D123 wrote:

[quote]BUDs wrote:

What about a DA?

[/quote]

DA ? [/quote]

I assume he means a dopamine agonist

No offence, I’ve noticed you dishing out lots of advice lately and you SEEM like you know what you’re talking about most of the time but I can’t seem to separate that from the fact you made a thread about how you were disappointed with your first cycle and you clearly balls’d nearly everything up, I mean the cycle was a CAR CRASH! It makes me question your credibility when giving advice.

I’m sure you’re a nice guy and everything but its been eating at me after seeing you post a lot lately[/quote]

im up +13 kgs with today :smiley: it wasnt really a car crash my friend… and if at all i went wrong somewhere it was with my diet and nothing else… im giving advice where people ask for it about steroids not diet, and im pretty sure i have a good understanding about it… and regarding my advice thats for the OP to decide … so now you can go on mind your own business…

#19

[quote]G0D123 wrote:

[quote]Dieseldave wrote:

[quote]G0D123 wrote:

[quote]BUDs wrote:

What about a DA?

[/quote]

DA ? [/quote]

I assume he means a dopamine agonist

No offence, I’ve noticed you dishing out lots of advice lately and you SEEM like you know what you’re talking about most of the time but I can’t seem to separate that from the fact you made a thread about how you were disappointed with your first cycle and you clearly balls’d nearly everything up, I mean the cycle was a CAR CRASH! It makes me question your credibility when giving advice.

I’m sure you’re a nice guy and everything but its been eating at me after seeing you post a lot lately[/quote]

im up +13 kgs with today :smiley: it wasnt really a car crash my friend… and if at all i went wrong somewhere it was with my diet and nothing else… im giving advice where people ask for it about steroids not diet, and im pretty sure i have a good understanding about it… and regarding my advice thats for the OP to decide … so now you can go on mind your own business…
[/quote]

I apologise for the polite tone to my message it obviously wasnt appropriate after your passive aggressive reply and the way you’ve communicated with other respected members of these boards.

I’d say it was a car crash after seeing you admit that you ate less than my nan and dropping to 250mg for a couple weeks etc wtf is that?

Anyway the fact is you have been here five minutes and are racking up your post count with bro knowledge at best, potentially misleading newbies who are here to learn from the vets. IMO these include bauber, installglass, shredtodeath, WW, PTD, Buds, RDS, Ironman, Reed, ibraga, vtballa, I’m sure there are many others I’ve missed. You could even learn a thing or two from johnnyk53.

Stick around, pay your dues, soak up the good info and research it to make sure it’s correct. This will help you help others.

#20

[quote]Dieseldave wrote:
I apologise for the polite tone to my message it obviously wasnt appropriate after your passive aggressive reply and the way you’ve communicated with other respected members of these boards.

I’d say it was a car crash after seeing you admit that you ate less than my nan and dropping to 250mg for a couple weeks etc wtf is that?

Anyway the fact is you have been here five minutes and are racking up your post count with bro knowledge at best, potentially misleading newbies who are here to learn from the vets. IMO these include bauber, installglass, shredtodeath, WW, PTD, Buds, RDS, Ironman, Reed, ibraga, vtballa, I’m sure there are many others I’ve missed. You could even learn a thing or two from johnnyk53.

Stick around, pay your dues, soak up the good info and research it to make sure it’s correct. This will help you help others.[/quote]

dude seriously WTF is wrong with you ? so only those people you mentioned can dish out advice and no one else ? rest all should be listening ? im not saying am some super duper pro im just sharing what i have read from the books and countless websites i have read, and its upto teh OP to decide whether he takes it or not…

and regarding my cycle lets lay it rest for a while now, ill tell you how much i maintain of my 13 kgs then we will decide whether its a “car crash” or not… this would be my last reply to you…and btw dont hijack this thread…

#21

[quote]G0D123 wrote:

[quote]Dieseldave wrote:
I apologise for the polite tone to my message it obviously wasnt appropriate after your passive aggressive reply and the way you’ve communicated with other respected members of these boards.

I’d say it was a car crash after seeing you admit that you ate less than my nan and dropping to 250mg for a couple weeks etc wtf is that?

Anyway the fact is you have been here five minutes and are racking up your post count with bro knowledge at best, potentially misleading newbies who are here to learn from the vets. IMO these include bauber, installglass, shredtodeath, WW, PTD, Buds, RDS, Ironman, Reed, ibraga, vtballa, I’m sure there are many others I’ve missed. You could even learn a thing or two from johnnyk53.

Stick around, pay your dues, soak up the good info and research it to make sure it’s correct. This will help you help others.[/quote]

dude seriously WTF is wrong with you ? so only those people you mentioned can dish out advice and no one else ? rest all should be listening ? im not saying am some super duper pro im just sharing what i have read from the books and countless websites i have read, and its upto teh OP to decide whether he takes it or not…

and regarding my cycle lets lay it rest for a while now, ill tell you how much i maintain of my 13 kgs then we will decide whether its a “car crash” or not… this would be my last reply to you…and btw dont hijack this thread…[/quote]

NO… Many people here can dish out advice but you shouldn’t. Your “advice” has shown to be reckless and irresponsible. This is coming from possibly least knowledgeable of the folks listed above. You have been condescending to senior and respected members on this forum. You have given new posters terrible advice that could do long term damage to them.

You have proven repeatedly that you don’t know enough to give others advice. You should be seeking advice yourself still. If you continue to act as you are currently you will be run out of here quite quickly. Do yourself a favor and shut up for awhile. The fact that other new members are calling you out should tell you something. Read everything that you can find. Watch the forums and lurk but don’t type a single thing unless you have questions that you need clarified.

If you choose to ignore this advice or feel the need to be confrontational with me I will gladly watch door hit you on the way out. Listen and learn… Don’t advise

#22

[quote]installglass wrote:

[quote]G0D123 wrote:

[quote]Dieseldave wrote:
I apologise for the polite tone to my message it obviously wasnt appropriate after your passive aggressive reply and the way you’ve communicated with other respected members of these boards.

I’d say it was a car crash after seeing you admit that you ate less than my nan and dropping to 250mg for a couple weeks etc wtf is that?

Anyway the fact is you have been here five minutes and are racking up your post count with bro knowledge at best, potentially misleading newbies who are here to learn from the vets. IMO these include bauber, installglass, shredtodeath, WW, PTD, Buds, RDS, Ironman, Reed, ibraga, vtballa, I’m sure there are many others I’ve missed. You could even learn a thing or two from johnnyk53.

Stick around, pay your dues, soak up the good info and research it to make sure it’s correct. This will help you help others.[/quote]

dude seriously WTF is wrong with you ? so only those people you mentioned can dish out advice and no one else ? rest all should be listening ? im not saying am some super duper pro im just sharing what i have read from the books and countless websites i have read, and its upto teh OP to decide whether he takes it or not…

and regarding my cycle lets lay it rest for a while now, ill tell you how much i maintain of my 13 kgs then we will decide whether its a “car crash” or not… this would be my last reply to you…and btw dont hijack this thread…[/quote]

NO… Many people here can dish out advice but you shouldn’t. Your “advice” has shown to be reckless and irresponsible. This is coming from possibly least knowledgeable of the folks listed above. You have been condescending to senior and respected members on this forum. You have given new posters terrible advice that could do long term damage to them. You have proven repeatedly that you don’t know enough to give others advice. You should be seeking advice yourself still. If you continue to act as you are currently you will be run out of here quite quickly. Do yourself a favor and shut up for awhile. The fact that other new members are calling you out should tell you something. Read everything that you can find. Watch the forums and lurk but don’t type a single thing unless you have questions that you need clarified. If you choose to ignore this advice or feel the need to be confrontational with me I will gladly watch door hit you on the way out. Listen and learn… Don’t advise
[/quote]

which part of anything i said was “terrible advice that could do long term damage to them” ? be more specific… and regarding “condescending to senior and respected members” i never wanted to… but well they were acting like a douche right from teh start and all they do is use foul language all day long…

#23

[quote]G0D123 wrote:

[quote]installglass wrote:

[quote]G0D123 wrote:

[quote]Dieseldave wrote:
I apologise for the polite tone to my message it obviously wasnt appropriate after your passive aggressive reply and the way you’ve communicated with other respected members of these boards.

I’d say it was a car crash after seeing you admit that you ate less than my nan and dropping to 250mg for a couple weeks etc wtf is that?

Anyway the fact is you have been here five minutes and are racking up your post count with bro knowledge at best, potentially misleading newbies who are here to learn from the vets. IMO these include bauber, installglass, shredtodeath, WW, PTD, Buds, RDS, Ironman, Reed, ibraga, vtballa, I’m sure there are many others I’ve missed. You could even learn a thing or two from johnnyk53.

Stick around, pay your dues, soak up the good info and research it to make sure it’s correct. This will help you help others.[/quote]

dude seriously WTF is wrong with you ? so only those people you mentioned can dish out advice and no one else ? rest all should be listening ? im not saying am some super duper pro im just sharing what i have read from the books and countless websites i have read, and its upto teh OP to decide whether he takes it or not…

and regarding my cycle lets lay it rest for a while now, ill tell you how much i maintain of my 13 kgs then we will decide whether its a “car crash” or not… this would be my last reply to you…and btw dont hijack this thread…[/quote]

NO… Many people here can dish out advice but you shouldn’t. Your “advice” has shown to be reckless and irresponsible. This is coming from possibly least knowledgeable of the folks listed above. You have been condescending to senior and respected members on this forum. You have given new posters terrible advice that could do long term damage to them. You have proven repeatedly that you don’t know enough to give others advice. You should be seeking advice yourself still. If you continue to act as you are currently you will be run out of here quite quickly. Do yourself a favor and shut up for awhile. The fact that other new members are calling you out should tell you something. Read everything that you can find. Watch the forums and lurk but don’t type a single thing unless you have questions that you need clarified. If you choose to ignore this advice or feel the need to be confrontational with me I will gladly watch door hit you on the way out. Listen and learn… Don’t advise
[/quote]

which part of anything i said was “terrible advice that could do long term damage to them” ? be more specific… and regarding “condescending to senior and respected members” i never wanted to… but well they were acting like a douche right from teh start and all they do is use foul language all day long…

[/quote]

Here is one instance of something you wrote.

“so my suggestion would be to start off with no ai since its your very first cycle and see where you go… if too much bloat, or itchy nipples try to do what i stated above and start at 0.25 mg eod from day one of your next cycle…”

I’ve seen a few others as well.

Telling Walkway to walk away… Bad decision. He has forgotten more than you’ll ever know about AAS. You lost any respect you ever would have had from me. You could have learned a lot from him and chose to be a condescending ass.

BTW DA is dopamine agonist. Maybe you should know these things before advising others.

#24

[quote]installglass wrote:

Here is one instance of something you wrote.

“so my suggestion would be to start off with no ai since its your very first cycle and see where you go… if too much bloat, or itchy nipples try to do what i stated above and start at 0.25 mg eod from day one of your next cycle…”

I’ve seen a few others as well.[/quote]

estrogen plays a a part in gains so there is this belief an AI might lessen your gains… so that is a bone of contention on most forums for first cycles…ai from teh start or w8 to see if teh need arises… anything else that might have “screwed up someone elses life” ? i dont think there are any my friend…

[quote]
Telling Walkway to walk away… Bad decision. He has forgotten more than you’ll ever know about AAS.You lost any respect you ever would have had from me. You could have learned a lot from him and chose to be a condescending ass. [/quote]

i said that when he was calling everyone names and using the f word in almost every sentence he typed… if i were to learn anything at all from him it would only be the f word…

i know what a dopamine agonist is … just dint strike me when i saw it as “DA” especially since we were talking about a bulking cycle here…

maybe we should take a break from this “i should not advise people and i should take a break cause i dont know shit” thing cause no matter what anybody says if i find some one asking for help ill definitely share what i know and nobody can intimidate me in not doing so… let the op decide what he wants to take in and maybe you could point him the cons if any at all in my statement…

P.S if you keep saying something i WILL keep replying as i have nothing to do for the next few weeks… muahahahaha !

#25

[quote]G0D123 wrote:
]P.S if you keep saying something i WILL keep replying as i have nothing to do for the next few weeks… muahahahaha ![/quote]

Childish replies like this aren’t doing you any favours.

The point is I like to think that members round here have to prove their credibility to advise others one way or another.

For instance, I feel like I could write a book on the subject with all I’ve learned in the past couple of years yet I’m always learning on these boards so am always wary of giving advice at this stage as I still don’t feel ‘qualified’ to do so.

You, however, show up all of a sudden, start a thread about your hoooooorrrrriiiiibbblllee cycle both gear and nutrition-wise and then proceed to dish out advice to everyone asking. The worrying thing is these people will listen to you because they trust the vets on these boards and some might not yet know that you are not one of them.

By giving dodgy advice you’re diluting the credibility of this forum. Maybe the mods can do something about this…

Plus you keep typing teh