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PCT Dilemma

I am currently 4 weeks into a 10 week cycle and planned to use a test taper for PCT. Actually, more specifically I had planned to taper down to 200mg for the first post cycle week and then somewhere between 100 and 200 mg/w test e continuously as HRT.

My fear now that I am a few days away from ending the dBol kickstart phase of my cycle, is what will I do if the test e I have is bunk? I will only find this out when I discontinue the dBol since this is my first cycle and I haven’t been able to determine authoratatively if I have felt the test e to date.

If my test e is bunk, I will crash after 5 weeks of 30mg/d dBol and I have no PCT ancilleries on hand since I was planning on using the test e itself in that capacity.

Any suggestions? I do have a local source for test e (different from the international source I got my current batch). I guess I could always pick some up if I notice a crash.

What should I look out for when I quit dBol in a few days? Any advice/feedback is appreciated.

Current Cycle:

-250mg/E3D test e (w1-10)
-30mg/d dBol (w1-5 ending in a couple of days)
-25mg/d Proviron (w1-5)
-50mg Proviron (w6-10)
-250iu hCG EOD (w1-10)
-0.5mg/d Adex (W1-10)

The test usually kicks in at around week 3 to 4 and you can usually feel this through non-stop viagra quality hard-ons lol. Well not really non-stop, but it certainly feels like you’re back in jr. high again. If you were running dbol with bunk test, you would probably be fairly supressed at this point and have difficulty getting sexually aroused.

I would get some nolv ASAP. If you crash because of bunk test then quickly switch to the nolv and start PCT. A dbol only cycle with proper PCT is still better then a dbol only cycle with no PCT.

Or you could buy the additional test anyway. Chances are you will be able to use it in the future anyway. But if you start the new test after noticing the first was fake you will still have a little lag time before it really kicks in. Maybe try getting some prop.

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4 weeks in? You should be feeling the test, did you get your orals from the same place you got your injectable?

looks like you thought this out pretty well, nice job on that. That being said i am betting the arimidex at .5 ed with what is basically 500mg test per week may be overkill. However its hard to know for sure, if you are not getting strong effects from the test in regards to sex drive it could be that the test is fine but you have driven estrogen too low. Before scrapping the test (if you are doubting it) i would reduce the arimidex to .25 ed or even eod and c how that feels. just my 2 cents

[quote]bob_sander87 wrote:
The test usually kicks in at around week 3 to 4 and you can usually feel this through non-stop viagra quality hard-ons lol. Well not really non-stop, but it certainly feels like you’re back in jr. high again. If you were running dbol with bunk test, you would probably be fairly supressed at this point and have difficulty getting sexually aroused.[/quote]

Bob,

I am quite sure I feel the dBOL and have gained almost 20 lbs of mixed muscle and fat in 4 weeks. I can’t say I have felt a decisive boost from the test e to date however. Libido is up and down. It is intense several times a week.

[quote]2thepain wrote:
I would get some nolv ASAP. If you crash because of bunk test then quickly switch to the nolv and start PCT. A dbol only cycle with proper PCT is still better then a dbol only cycle with no PCT.

Or you could buy the additional test anyway. Chances are you will be able to use it in the future anyway. But if you start the new test after noticing the first was fake you will still have a little lag time before it really kicks in. Maybe try getting some prop.[/quote]

Good input 2thepain. I hadn’t thought of a shorter half-life ester. I think I prefer to go the test route than nolv, although it is good to have that as a backup.

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Interesting conundrum. What makes you think the test might be duff?

BBB[/quote]

The only reason I fear it might be bunk is that I cannot really say that I felt it kick in in a defined manner above and beyond the effects of the dBol. It is very smooth and never hurts on injection. It doesn’t have a strong odor. It may be fine. How long after I finish the dBOL should I know for sure??

[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
4 weeks in? You should be feeling the test, did you get your orals from the same place you got your injectable?[/quote]

Like I said I cannot be sure as of yet. I got my dBol from a local source. I got my Adex from the “one” chem research. I got 3 BD label 10ml vials of 250mg/ml test e from an international source “O”. Included in the same order were the Proviron (100 x 25mg) and 3 x 5000iu hCG. Brook recognized the pics of the Proviron as a decent lab. The hCG seems to be working. I understand that UG test e is usually equally or more potent than labeled.

[quote]morepain wrote:
looks like you thought this out pretty well, nice job on that. That being said i am betting the arimidex at .5 ed with what is basically 500mg test per week may be overkill. However its hard to know for sure, if you are not getting strong effects from the test in regards to sex drive it could be that the test is fine but you have driven estrogen too low. Before scrapping the test (if you are doubting it) i would reduce the arimidex to .25 ed or even eod and c how that feels. just my 2 cents[/quote]

Hey Morepain,

Thanks for the kind words. I upped the Adex to 0.5mg/d because I had sensitive nipples and lots of anxiety after starting on 0.25 EOD. It took about 10 days for the higher dose to kick in and nipples are no longer sensitive and anxiety under control. I plan to reduce the dosage of Adex once I discontinue the dBol, but that stuff really puts pressure on estrogen for me anyway. Here is my thread for more info:

Thanks for the input.

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[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
morepain wrote:
looks like you thought this out pretty well, nice job on that. That being said i am betting the arimidex at .5 ed with what is basically 500mg test per week may be overkill.

However its hard to know for sure, if you are not getting strong effects from the test in regards to sex drive it could be that the test is fine but you have driven estrogen too low. Before scrapping the test (if you are doubting it) i would reduce the arimidex to .25 ed or even eod and c how that feels. just my 2 cents

Hey Morepain,

Thanks for the kind words. I upped the Adex to 0.5mg/d because I had sensitive nipples and lots of anxiety after starting on 0.25 EOD. It took about 10 days for the higher dose to kick in and nipples are no longer sensitive and anxiety under control.

I plan to reduce the dosage of Adex once I discontinue the dBol, but that stuff really puts pressure on estrogen for me anyway. Here is my thread for more info:

Thanks for the input.[/quote]

i hear that! as i have gotten older and wiser i think, i too have noticed elevated estrogen wreaks havoc on my anxiety level, never have i had any other issues but man that estrogen dominant mental state can make you feel like you are going crazy.

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
So it’s BD test? When will people stop buying that stuff lol? ANY 'BD product has to be viewed with extreme suspicion IMO.

The dbol will kick out in about 5 hours, so if you start noticing an increase in DOMS, then you know your test is duff.

BBB[/quote]

Thanks BBB

Well I have 4 dBol tabs left. That will take care of tomorrow (Sunday) and Monday am. I should start having an idea how decnet my test e is by Monday evening.