that’s all you can do really now mate, just learn from the mistakes.
I hear a lot of Deca horror stories, puts me off ever trying it.
Yea that is why I sought out professional medical advise. I didn’t want to be one of those stories I read about after the fact.
And I am disappointed in the outcome for me.
It did exactly what I hoped it would. Huge pumps, astronomical sex libido. I looked and felt great.
But, for my body, the side effects were equally terrible. Blood pressure at stroke range, severest acne of the worst kind all over my upper torso including my arms, and of course, the HPTA crash at the end which may or may not have been avoidable.
I do plan to leap back into this hobby once I have rebounded but I will update this thread as I improve simply because I didn’t find a lot of positive re-enforcement threads when doing my own research.
Plenty of people whining about the horrors of their symptoms but few people following back up on their status.
Kinda led me to panic in my hormone vulnerable state, lol
I hope someone going through the same thing reads this and knows it’s going to be ok, but it will be an irritation and inconvenience for a few months and you WILL want to get blood work done and possibly see a doctor depending on how hard your axis is shut down.
yet another reason for me never to use deca. Anyone ever have any good experences with the stuff?
I can feel I am slowly coming back. Viagara has really really helped.
Acne is still out of control on my upper torso. Started tanning.
I go back to doc mid July for blood work.
Very eager to see results
I feel weak from lack of test. Ive lost 40 pounds in my bench since coming off. Just really got the motivation to get back on a 5 day work out cycle.
Cannot freaking wait to get back to homeostatis and begin another cycle. I miss the super me but I miss the healthy me even more 
An update as promised:
I am now a little passed the 3rd month since my last DECA shot and my screwed up PCT.
I went for labs on Monday, got a call from the doctor today: Still low hormone levels.
We didn’t get into numbers but he said my test had improved a bit but was still low and my sex hormones were still low as well.
He told me given my levels had risen it did show my body was coming back, albeit slowly.
He said to come back in 3 months for blood work to see where I was at.
I am still using viagara but don’t need it as much so i do feel improvement.
IF there are any signs of my suppression it is still
- Low libido
- a little more work to achieve erection but I can achieve it with no work
- Longer recovery times
- continued lower interest in working out
- constant bad acne outbreaks on shoulders and back though tanning has helped settle my skin down. I no longer feel like my shoulders are on fire but still bleed and or leak puss constantly.
Hoping this will get better as hormone balance improves
That being said I have gained some weight but it’s a combination of muscle and fat since my crash.
I am working out 3 times a day and take protein almost every day to help with recovery.
The truth is I was hoping to hear I am all clear, levels are back so I could jump back into TRT and an eventual cycle a month or two down the road but things are still completely out of my hands.
I can only sit and wait and continue good habits.
Again, I will continue to update my recovery from DECA suppression as things change
Hi man, sorry to say that, I know it does not help so very much now, but you did almost everything wrong what you could have made wrong …
The info you’re looking for now you should have had before starting
you also should stick to something, going to the doctor and follow half of his instruction, half from the wild, well, that is the worse you can do
as somebody said already, doctors often do not have experience with steroids, still less with PCT, so what you need is an experienced person, whether he has a medical title or not.
anyway, hard to give you good suggestion because some important info is missing, your age. Since you did no blood test before starting … to what you expect to go back now? You have no clew about what your normal hormone level were before. So now it is only guessing, your age could be a start.
In any case, 3 month after a steroid cycle, your hormone function should have been recovered.
Also do not forget, deca-dick, well whatever that is, any steroid influence your normal hormone production, even injecting testosterone shuts down your natural production
it is not testosterone what makes you get an erection, testosterone can stimulate your libido, can make you horny, but if you get it up or not depends on other factors
what jumps right into the eye from your writing is that you definitely train too much, you’re crazy. All what you describe seems to me typical symptoms of being totally over trained. Your body is empty of everything, washed out.
What your doctor said first is right, you really and seriously should get off of everything, ALSO out of the gym for at least a month or better six weeks. Do some aerobics or walking if you can not hep yourself. Depending on your age you may need still more time for recovering …
You only should take lots of vitamins and minerals during this time (example: Animal pack daily). You need recovery. Then you take a new blood test and then start something what makes sense, if still necessary.
Don’t forget to take it serious, there is no treatment for hormone levels, which works within some days. So when you give up after a week or two, or you change your doses or medicines, well, normally everything you’ve done before was then for nothing and your body starts over. So, you need to establish ground value. From the blood test of the clean body a person with enough experience can tell what you have to do. Whatever you do then, you have to take until the end, stick to it for the whole established period.
good luck
Working out 3 times a day? Do you 3 times a week?
Suppression from Deca is individual but in my case it lasted 6+ months and can take anywhere up to a year. Your prolactin is also probably out of range if it is anything like mine. You will recover eventually although there are steps you can take to feel better quicker but you will need all blood values.
SB
Update:
My libido seems to still be dead but is showing signs of life. I also still cannot get hard on command but can get it up with enough attention.
It seems that the link between my brain and my cock is still weak but it’s there.
Physically I feel fine other than that.
I still have no motivation to work out. I have obviously put on more weight and lost muscle from not working out almost 6 months.
Have more blood work scheduled for second week in October.
If my test is there and my hormones are level I am going to do a short 2 month cycle with a proper pct recovery afterwards and see how that goes.
I may just get back with self administering hrt afterwards.
I have a feeling I am going to have to ride out deca from my body and that, given my hormones are stable, over time with a few light test cycles and proper pct my body will come back naturally.
Of course, Ill keep this updated.
Yes, thanks for the above suggestions. I too feel I didn’t respect what I was about to use until it was too late. Luckily, I learn quickly, though too slow this time
I run about every other day to keep my body up and going.
And I take vitamins and such, just no hormones.
I am planning for a long, 6 month to a year recovery. If my hormone panel still comes back low then I am going to remain clean until such time as it makes sense and is healthy for me to get back on Test.
I won’t make another stupid mistake after another.
I am keeping my fingers crossed but also being patient.
I put my foot down and said 6 months ago I won’t ever go through this again.
Lucky for me, Viagra helps but is prohibitively expensive.
Oh, btw, age is 36. I did have blood testing done before hand when I started TRT. After 3 months of that I took matters into my own hands and began administering myself. then, later upped the stakes to Deca.
your not on a TRT dose? would that not help?
Well, as a previous poster stated, when I originally inherited deca dick, i had a high level of test and still lost my erection due to 0 fsh and lh hormones. Once the test left my system I had complete hormone crash. So, plenty of test for some time still resulted in noodle dick, lol.
Now that things are beginning to balance out im fighting a low libido and still making the connection between my brain and my cock get stronger and begin to operate as one again
That being said, if my blood panel comes out fine with even low test but ok fsh and lh, ill get back on trt.
When I first got on trt I my test was in the normal/low zone, but fsh and lh were strong.
This will be the 3rd post crash blood panel I have had to see if my body has begun making it’s own test again.
I had 1 blood panel before I started trt.
This was my 3rd cycle I believe.
[quote]OleMissdude wrote:
Well, as a previous poster stated, when I originally inherited deca dick, i had a high level of test and still lost my erection due to 0 fsh and lh hormones. Once the test left my system I had complete hormone crash. So, plenty of test for some time still resulted in noodle dick, lol.
Now that things are beginning to balance out im fighting a low libido and still making the connection between my brain and my cock get stronger and begin to operate as one again
That being said, if my blood panel comes out fine with even low test but ok fsh and lh, ill get back on trt.
When I first got on trt I my test was in the normal/low zone, but fsh and lh were strong.
This will be the 3rd post crash blood panel I have had to see if my body has begun making it’s own test again.
I had 1 blood panel before I started trt.
This was my 3rd cycle I believe.
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Please explain how low LH/FSH levels combined with HIGH test will give erectile dysfunction?
Deca dick is usually caused by high prolactin levels, something I mentioned in my above post which you completely ignored.
Seems as though you dont really know what you are doing.
SB
Nope, you are assuming. My blood panel revealed normal prolactin levels, within range. I had a 1 for fsh/lh and even with high test had dysfunction.
Neither myself nor you are doctors. I can only state what happened to me and what my blood panel revealed given what I used and how I used it, which as I also stated previously which you also ignored, the main deficit in my cycle was not using hcg and actually going through a proper pct because of what I speculate may have been bad test but I will never know for sure as my previous cycles went off without a hitch and this one crashed and burned.
And please save the negativity, I keeping this thread open as a journal for my recovery not of a critique of my technique
Your post doesnt make sense. I asked how low levels of LH/FSH in the presence of exogenous test can give erectile dysfunction.
Also are you suggesting your deca dick is due to the fact that you did not use hCG? If so, explain your reasoning for this.
This is the first time I believe you mentioned your prolactin levels, hence why I said deca dick is USUALLY due to high prolactin. In your case, its not which causes me to believe its not actual deca dick rather just a combination of high E/Low T (usual post cycle values). Pardon me if you have already mentioned your E levels being normal.
You are the one assuming, what makes you think I am not an MD?
Anyway, good luck with your recovery.
SB
Thanks for the reply Singhbuilder. I have found a lot of disinformation, everyone is an expert, blah blah blah over not just this one, but many anabolic forums, so forgive me if we got off to a bad start.
That being said, I subscribe to a general definition of deca dick I took from another forum. it says any sexual dysfunction realized during or immediately after the use of deca.
Though that is very broad and it may have nothing to do with deca, just by the very presence of it, throws that into deca dick for me.
Whether you buy that definition or not.
Now in my case, my blood panel showed normal prolactin and estrogen and suppressed hpta sexual hormones after the test left my body.
As mentioned earlier, the dysfunction started before my cycle was even over.
I do not know if anything I was using was bad or not. All I know is that all of a sudden my erection went bye bye and two weeks later my hormones crashed and I went bonkers. lol
A blood panel showed I had very high test but suppressed sexual hormones. In two weeks, it will have been six months. I go for blood work every 3 months. First when this happened, then 2 months later, then 3 months, now I am about to go again to see if my levels have recovered.
Sounds strange but through my research (after the fact) at many places this seems to be an old story with nor-19 suppression typically lasting 6 months to sometimes a year before one is recovered.
I cannot say if using hcg would have prevented this, I doubt it. It may have made recovery quicker, so would have going through a proper pct which is my own fault.
But the problem occurred two weeks before my cycle was to shift to test only injections.
I dunno what happened. I think the moral of my own story is two fold
- My body does not take well to nor-19’s
- I should have done more research before hand on frequency of hcg use
I took donstinex after this happened to lower my prolactin before I even got blood results back because that made the most sense as to how this happened but the panel showed that was already normal.
Nolva was taken during the cycle which may have prevented my estrogen from getting out of control.
I have no signs of gyno thank goodness.
Really I just write this off as another example of how deca affects some people differently than others.
I am of course disappointed. I truly enjoyed how I looked and felt on Deca. My sex drive except at the end was out of the fucking roof.
It was a truly enjoyable experience until my noodle went limp and my hormones turned me into a crazy person for about a month.
However, I will not be going down the deca path again. I plan to stick with more mild androgens and test.
As you can imagine, it was no fun having the potential to fuck some beautiful woman only to not be able to get my guy in the game
I know that I may be a little late on a response to the aforementioned topic, but I am experiencing a very similar effect after a cycle including deca and test.
Singhbuilder, you ask how low LH/FSH and high test can lead to ED? Well, I am in the medical field, and my endocrinologist is world-renowned, so I will break it down for you, but keep it very simple.
First off, FSH or follicle stimulating hormone, does not play a vital role in erectile dysfunction. It does, however, play a vital role in sperm production. If you are not planning to have children or have already as many as you are gonna have, then this level does not apply to you. Luetenizing Hormone (LH), is crucial in men and their ability to get and/or maintain an erection. It also is vital to the libido, or the DRIVE to have sex. The reason for this is simple. LH is responsible for the synthesis of testosterone.
As an example, if you eat a perfect diet for growth, yet your stomach and intestines cease to function, i.e. synthesize the food, then you would never grow. Period. In light of this, you can have an extremely elevated total and free testosterone level but have your LH come back less than 1, and you my friend are in trouble. Deca and Tren both suppress your LH and FSH severely.
I was taking 900mg of test E with 300 mg of deca weekly for 10 weeks. I took my last deca injection 2 weeks prior to my last test injection, and everything was incredible for 3 weeks. Now my junk literally does not work. I noticed a decline in all things sex, that continued to worsen week by week. My Total Testosterone came back at 1700, my Free came back at 195, prolactin was normal at 1.7, and that was early on to see if my gear was working correctly.
My next set was of labs was one month after my last injection and my labs came back as follows: Total Test-560, free test-137, prolactin-1.7, but my LH was <0.7. Now its dead. Wont work for anything. This is why pretty much all roids are not worth the risk unless PRESCRIBED to you. Everyone reacts differently, true, but ultimately when you mess with your hormones, they will fight back. When they do, it is one of the worst experiences that you will ever go through. Are muscles really worth trading your manhood for? Nah, I dont think so!
[quote]clintcron wrote:
I know that I may be a little late on a response to the aforementioned topic, but I am experiencing a very similar effect after a cycle including deca and test.
Singhbuilder, you ask how low LH/FSH and high test can lead to ED? Well, I am in the medical field, and my endocrinologist is world-renowned, so I will break it down for you, but keep it very simple.
First off, FSH or follicle stimulating hormone, does not play a vital role in erectile dysfunction. It does, however, play a vital role in sperm production. If you are not planning to have children or have already as many as you are gonna have, then this level does not apply to you. Luetenizing Hormone (LH), is crucial in men and their ability to get and/or maintain an erection. It also is vital to the libido, or the DRIVE to have sex. The reason for this is simple. LH is responsible for the synthesis of testosterone.
As an example, if you eat a perfect diet for growth, yet your stomach and intestines cease to function, i.e. synthesize the food, then you would never grow. Period. In light of this, you can have an extremely elevated total and free testosterone level but have your LH come back less than 1, and you my friend are in trouble. Deca and Tren both suppress your LH and FSH severely.
I was taking 900mg of test E with 300 mg of deca weekly for 10 weeks. I took my last deca injection 2 weeks prior to my last test injection, and everything was incredible for 3 weeks. Now my junk literally does not work. I noticed a decline in all things sex, that continued to worsen week by week. My Total Testosterone came back at 1700, my Free came back at 195, prolactin was normal at 1.7, and that was early on to see if my gear was working correctly.
My next set was of labs was one month after my last injection and my labs came back as follows: Total Test-560, free test-137, prolactin-1.7, but my LH was <0.7. Now its dead. Wont work for anything. This is why pretty much all roids are not worth the risk unless PRESCRIBED to you. Everyone reacts differently, true, but ultimately when you mess with your hormones, they will fight back. When they do, it is one of the worst experiences that you will ever go through. Are muscles really worth trading your manhood for? Nah, I dont think so![/quote]
Dude any aas is going to supress lh, you don’t need high lh to have an erection.
As a TRT only guy I got a bout of ED after starting TRT test injections . I was completely ED free all my life until I started TRT . I got my E2 level checked and it was 64 . I ordered some anastrozole online and got my E2 level down to 22 . My ED went away . But emotionally I was damaged from the ED . Loosing your ability to screw sucks ass . My number one goal now on TRT is not to screw that up , number 2 goal is to reap benifits of having normal Test level . Just my 2 cents from a non AAS user , it may help .
So you went for months without masturbating??? Or does it work when masturbating but not with a partner? In the latter case the problem is psychological, not hormone-related.