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Pct After Potentially Fake Gear


#1

First off, hey guys :slight_smile: been lurking here for a while, some knowledgable posters here so I have my fingers crossed

Basically, run my first ever test e cycle at 500/mg a week and after 12 weeks gained a mere 4-6lbs with strength being barely affected. But. Maybe I just didn't react well to test, obviously first cycle so I have nothing to compare it to. Will running a pct damage me in anyway if I'm not shut down? I want to run one as a precaution, but if it will do more harm than good then I'm a bit hmmm. I can't get bloodwork done for private reasons, otherwise i would not need to post this xD. Any help will be greatly appreciated, cheers


#2

What dose of testosterone were you using?


#3

Says in my original post, 500mg/week split into 2 doses


#4

Do you mean "private reasons" like you can't tell us? Or you have privacy concerns, irl?

Either way, I'd recommend http://www.privatemdlabs.com/

You don't have to see a doctor and you can place an order anonymously using gift cards or cash directly deposited into their B of A bank account.


#5

Both on here and real life, its extremly complicated to explain.
With that site I fear I won't have results in time, my last injection was last weeks Monday so pct will begin in 5days, that's why I came here as its an emergency, I don't want to put potentially harmful hormones into my body (lol at the irony)

So would I be at risk running a pct? Even if my hpta has not been shut down?


#6

My bad for skimming through your original post. Perhaps your gear wasn't totally fake, but severely underdosed.. I personally would still run a pct in order to be safe.


#7

So there would be no adverse side effects or permanent damage?


#8

what are you planning on running for pct? I honestly can't think of any sort of permanent damage..


#9

Clomid and nolva
Clomid 100mg days 1-7 then 50mg days 7-21 (or 28)
Nolva 40mg days 1-7 then 20mg for a following 4 weeks


#10

Bump for confirmation of my safety


#11

From your initial post, you sound like you're upset about a lack of progress on your first cycle. How was your training? Diet? Rest/recovery? Even on gear, that stuff is still very important.


#12

Diet 3-4k cals a day depending on work (never lower)
Training upper/lower split
Wed/sat/sun = off days

Iv known guys with far worse diets + training get pretty great results. Even with a shitty diet surely I should have gained more, be it just strength or mass


#13

That ain't necessarily so. If you're not gaining weight on your diet, then you're eating at about maintenance...it's that simple. 3-4kcals may well not be enough for YOU and your macro balance may be off as well. You should have diet and training dialed in before starting a cycle; that means you should be gaining already, instead of expecting your cycle to make you gain.


#14

Or it could just be fake gear. If its fake, then why are you talking about running a pct. It was either fake, or you diet/training suck.


#15

I was gaining at 2700-3000k naturally, tried bumping cals but led to more fat gain than muscle

If I gained 6lbs over a 12 week period I obviously was doing something right, if it was fake then I still gained, if it wasn't then I gained a shitty amount with occasionally 1k cals more than I'm used to.
The guy above me, you're thick, gaining 6lbs of muscle doesn't indicate shit diet/training, nor can it distinguish fake gear. So your response was a waste of time.

Fuck, not one of you have provided me with the answer I need.. all making pointless contributions


#16

WTF do you want douche?

An answer to will running a pct hurt you? That was your only question and it was answered.

If you're on gear, gaining 6 pounds over a 12 week cycle if muscle growth was your goal is shitty and then yes, you're diet/training were shitty.

If you're not on gear, then good job.

Now go fuck yourself.


#17

Actually, no it wasn't. The guy said he thought it would be okay, then asked what my pct was, I then laid out my pct and got no reply. Want to answer it smartass?


#18

Survey says bunk. But run PCT any way, it won't kill you.


#19

Run low nolva PCT: like 20/20/10/10 or something. Won't kill you ...

IMHO your gear could have been under dosed. Better safe than sorry.

I got bloodworks done BEFORE my cycle and will have a new one some weeks after my PCT.