[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
You guys think it’s completely plausible that 2 MASKED gunman who kill a dozen people, and get away right after the incident. Are able to be magically identified within a few days, tracked, and have their accomplices tracked/found as well?[/quote]
At least as plausible as Satam Al Suqami’s passport surviving a fireball that melted steel girders, then fluttering down to the pavement where the FBI could find it, sure.[/quote]
Actually varq it’s very common to find a lot of intact and almost intact and plenty of unburnt debris in aircraft wreckages with fire. Furthermore, the fires didn’t “melt” the steel girders. They created a massive conflagration with all the debris from the aircraft, office furniture, plastics that burn at high temperatures and create a reaction with the fuel that’s a bit like napalm. Together with the huge hole in the side of the building acting as an excellent oxygen source the fires raged, sucking in oxygen through the hole in the building reaching temperatures at which the steel girders were heated to the point that their tensile strength was drastically reduced and they buckled and gave way.
Do you know anything about steelwork/blacksmithing? You can turn steel into a gooey fudge with hot coals and foot operated bellows. It’s not that difficult to soften steel in a hot fire. Don’t you think what I describe above sounds plausible and stories about demolition charges and so on to be not only implausible, but impossible? Due to the fact that an entire demolition crew would need to spend weeks drilling hundreds of holes all through the buildings on every level and wire the entire building up? All the office workers wouldn’t be asking what was going on with all the explosives being planted around them while they work, more and more day after day until the whole building is ringed with wires coming out of holes in the walls. Those kinds of scenarios; scenarios that would also entail the complicity of thousands of American citizens, state and federal law enforcement, air traffic control, police, fire department, paramedics, military, intelligence, commercial airlines, pilots, crews, hundreds of passengers, Air Force etc etc. All conspiring to murder thousands of their fellow citizens. Why? For money? How did they get away with it and no one talked? Why such an elaborate, murderous and destructive plot? Does any of it sound plausible?
Why were some people(like me) actually expecting bin Laden to carry out an attack precisely like this? As soon as I saw it happening on the television I knew straight away it was OBL. I’d recently finished reading one of the first books about him and another book about Ramzi Yusef both describing the “Bojinka Plot” and warning about the fanaticism and danger of OBL and that he was determined to carry out a successful mass casualty attack using civilian aircraft. So it certainly all seemed extremely plausible to me the moment it happened.
Why don’t you just take a look on any of the 9/11 conspiracy debunking sites that’s covered all the things you’ve mentioned. The passport one is old hat. When aircraft crash and catch fire there’s always plenty of unburnt debris. Look at aircraft crash scenes with burnt ground and plenty of unburnt debris all around. Surely, you don’t really believe this 9/11 truther stuff? You know this happens with every major world event right? The cult of the conspiracy. I remember you were quoting something about the “military industrial complex” conspiracy theories recently - Smedley Butler. That’s right. The military industrial complex conspiracy theories actually began leading up to the First World War amongst German agents and German sympathisers in America who wanted Germany to win the war in Europe and therefore strongly opposed “interventionism” and pushed strongly for disarmament and attacked and libelled the munitions industries and desperately tried to prevent US armament and involvement in the war.
Fifteen years later and this same group - the anti-interventionists of the old right - supported Germany again in the European War, desperately wanted the US to stay out of it and desperately wanted to stop the US rearming. Same conspiracy theories only this time around the Jews were transplanted as the villains.
It’s the descendants of the old right who keep the spirit alive today with extreme pacifism/appeasement, attacks on the military, conspiracy theories about the government. The paleoconservatives and the radical libertarians kept the torch alive.
The Kennedy Assassination conspiracy theories were much broader and all kinds of people with different agendas and no agendas latched into that one. But the military industrial complex conspiracies, Evil government/inside job conspiracies and so on are far more political and it’s disconcerting to see our enemies - eg, on Iranian state TV - promoting Western conspiracy theorists because it is in Iran’s interest to portray the US government as evil and murderous they make celebrities of these treasonous individuals who disseminate these theories.
Anyway, that’s just a bit of background on what you’re into here. I hope you don’t really believe any of this nonsense…but I suspect you do as you’ve brought it up a couple of times now.