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P+C and P+F Ratios

In the next couple weeks I am going to switch back to including whole grains (oats, quinoa, brown rice) back into my diet and just wanted to check in and see what the general consensus was surrounding the principles of protein/fat and protein/carb meals.

My main question revolves around how much fat can be included in a protein/carb meal? Do those of you who subscribe to such principals make sure to have no fat at all during such meals, or is 5-10 grams acceptable?

My usual morning breakfast would be steel cut oats with two eggs and about 6-8 eggs whites. Is this to much fat to include in a protein/carb meal, especially the first one of the day? What if I included flax seed instead of 2 egg yolks?

Any other information or links revolving around this topic would be much appreciated.

I dont think it is very relevant. In any case, or philosophy, you should always have a little fat with every meal, as some nutrients wont be absorped without.

I do apply these principles myself when cutting, but thats only beceause it makes a high fat intake easier while keeping calories down and still getting carbs around the daily workout.

[quote]Mikael LS wrote:
I dont think it is very relevant. In any case, or philosophy, you should always have a little fat with every meal, as some nutrients wont be absorped without.

I do apply these principles myself when cutting, but thats only beceause it makes a high fat intake easier while keeping calories down and still getting carbs around the daily workout.[/quote]

You don’t have to have a little fat at every meal.

He’s referring to the PC and PF combos that Berardi used to recommend. The rule was 10 or less grams of fat at PC meals and 15 grams or less grams carbs at PF meals.

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:

[quote]Mikael LS wrote:
I dont think it is very relevant. In any case, or philosophy, you should always have a little fat with every meal, as some nutrients wont be absorped without.

I do apply these principles myself when cutting, but thats only beceause it makes a high fat intake easier while keeping calories down and still getting carbs around the daily workout.[/quote]

You don’t have to have a little fat at every meal.

He’s referring to the PC and PF combos that Berardi used to recommend. The rule was 10 or less grams of fat at PC meals and 15 grams or less grams carbs at PF meals. [/quote]

Thanks Brick, that’s exactly what I was looking for. I just want to make sure I’m not spiking my blood sugar levels and assume that this is a pretty decent way to make sure of that.

Wasnt it 5/10 ?

I may be wrong.

[quote]zraw wrote:
Wasnt it 5/10 ?

I may be wrong.[/quote]

I think the lower ones would make more sense, but they are not that far off from one another.

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:
Wasnt it 5/10 ?

I may be wrong.[/quote]

I think the lower ones would make more sense, but they are not that far off from one another.[/quote]

He has written both.