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Overthinking It

There seem to be quite a few posts recently asking about esoteric workout formulas to improve ring performance, eg “how do I get more explosive biceps,” “will big squats make me better at MMA,” or “should I be doing 5/3/1, Westside, or Secret Punjabi Ninja to get better at fighting?”

Look, most of you are overthinking it. I know, everyone on this board wants to believe they’re that peak combat athlete who needs the top 1% of training programs for an edge. One or two of you may even be at that level, but none of you are asking these questions.

Most of you are young amateur or prospective amateur fighters. And that’s awesome. I wish I had gotten into full contact fighting (instead of point TKD) at a much younger age myself. But you’re making this more complicated than it needs to be. You want to get better at fighting? Fight more. Roll more. Then do fight-specific training (shadowboxing, bag work, etc). THEN pick a strength and conditioning workout, and work on your power and your gas. I gauran-freaking-tee that as long as you pick a real strength program and do your road work on a regular basis that, when combined with a lot of fight training, you will see across the board improvements. Almost none of you are at the point where you have stopped adapting to fight specific training, and the ones that are all have coaches who got them there and know how to push them further.

Now get out there and kick some ass.

This, so much this.

[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
There seem to be quite a few posts recently asking about esoteric workout formulas to improve ring performance, eg “how do I get more explosive biceps,” “will big squats make me better at MMA,” or “should I be doing 5/3/1, Westside, or Secret Punjabi Ninja to get better at fighting?”

Look, most of you are overthinking it. I know, everyone on this board wants to believe they’re that peak combat athlete who needs to top 1% of training programs for an edge. One or two of you may even be at that level, but none of you are asking these questions.

Most of you are young amateur or prospective amateur fighters. And that’s awesome. I wish I had gotten into full contact fighting (instead of point TKD) at a much younger age myself. But you’re making this more complicated than it needs to be. You want to get better at fighting? Fight more. Roll more. Then do fight-specific training (shadowboxing, bag work, etc). THEN pick a strength and conditioning workout, and work on your power and your gas. I gauran-freaking-tee that as long as you pick a real strength program and do your road work on a regular basis that, when combined with a lot of fight training, you will see across the board improvements. Almost none of you are at the point where you have stopped adapting to fight specific training, and the ones that are all have coaches who got them there and know how to push them further.

Now get out there and kick some ass.[/quote]

Sooooo…should I do straight sets or work up in weight?

Also, does this affliction t-shirt make my ass look fat? I like it because it hugs my side abs(they aren’t love handles, they are side abs…they are just really relaxed) and it is soft so it feels nice on my nips.

Regards,

Robert A

But I really wanted wicked side abs…

Bigger arms make me a better warrior.

You are all idiots.

I am off to train pushdowns. That should help me win that competition next weekend. Pan Asians here I come!

[quote]rundymc wrote:
Bigger arms make me a better warrior.

You are all idiots.

I am off to train pushdowns. That should help me win that competition next weekend. Pan Asians here I come![/quote]

They only make you a better warrior if you do curls explosively dipshit.

I’m going to do sets of dynamic effort curls with bands and chains and then whoop your ass at the pan asians.

In all seriousness, the difference in results from various weight training programs is probably negligible despite what T-Nationers might like to believe.

Shit look at some of the past era’s fighters weight routines. Cro cop’s weight training routine looked like a typical bodybuilding routine.

I don’t know about you but his head kicks looked perfectly functional and explosive to me.

Great post…lot of “over-thinking” threads popping up as of late.

Personally, I put on ears and a fluffy tail, and do weighted bunny hops. This program has taken me from an unskilled newb, trawling the internet for fighting lessons, to a trained killer - capable of disarming the most skillful combatents, no matter how many hours of skill specific training they have done, or who their highly experienced coach was.

[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
There seem to be quite a few posts recently asking about esoteric workout formulas to improve ring performance, eg “how do I get more explosive biceps,” “will big squats make me better at MMA,” or “should I be doing 5/3/1, Westside, or Secret Punjabi Ninja to get better at fighting?”

Look, most of you are overthinking it. I know, everyone on this board wants to believe they’re that peak combat athlete who needs the top 1% of training programs for an edge. One or two of you may even be at that level, but none of you are asking these questions.

Most of you are young amateur or prospective amateur fighters. And that’s awesome. I wish I had gotten into full contact fighting (instead of point TKD) at a much younger age myself. But you’re making this more complicated than it needs to be. You want to get better at fighting? Fight more. Roll more. Then do fight-specific training (shadowboxing, bag work, etc). THEN pick a strength and conditioning workout, and work on your power and your gas. I gauran-freaking-tee that as long as you pick a real strength program and do your road work on a regular basis that, when combined with a lot of fight training, you will see across the board improvements. Almost none of you are at the point where you have stopped adapting to fight specific training, and the ones that are all have coaches who got them there and know how to push them further.

Now get out there and kick some ass.[/quote]

Meh.

I always loved squatting and doing explosive hang cleans four times a week. Can you imagine how strong my legs and arms had become? Picking up girls and slamming them onto the canvas was so easy and so much fun back then.

This thread has much lol value. Ace!

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]rundymc wrote:
Bigger arms make me a better warrior.

You are all idiots.

I am off to train pushdowns. That should help me win that competition next weekend. Pan Asians here I come![/quote]

They only make you a better warrior if you do curls explosively dipshit.

I’m going to do sets of dynamic effort curls with bands and chains and then whoop your ass at the pan asians.[/quote]

I feel bad that I have actually seen someone doing curls with bands and chains.

you guys are all idiots anyways I learned real men chop wood thats how you build power.

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Picking up girls and slamming them onto the canvas was so easy and so much fun back then.
[/quote]

When is this ever not fun?

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Great post…lot of “over-thinking” threads popping up as of late. [/quote]

I agree.

My joking is pretty much gallows humor since I worry Jim’s words will go largely unheeded.

Robert A

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Meh.
[/quote]

Well its certainly easier to be all blase when you ALREADY have great side abs Lady Ninjaa.

[quote]
I always loved squatting and doing explosive hang cleans four times a week. Can you imagine how strong my legs and arms had become?[/quote]

Well, that seems like a pretty damn minimalist and almost “Dan John” like workout. Not exactly the “should I do 3 sets of 8 or 8 sets of 3 puzzle” and more of the "If I can squat a bunch and do a fast lift I wont run out of strength here kind of epiphany.

Also, I think you said you were very much a pressure/aggressive style of fighter, and a lot of people tense up when facing that. That of course makes them easier to muscle around (not that you weren’t using technique).

Oh shit, Chris Brown logged in to DarkNinjaa’s account. Run Ninjaa!!! We know what he did to Rhiana. It isn’t worth it.

Regards,

Robert A

[quote]devildog_jim wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Picking up girls and slamming them onto the canvas was so easy and so much fun back then.
[/quote]

When is this ever not fun?[/quote]

When your asshole friend/co-worker doesn’t pay her afterwards and you wind up starting an international scandal in Columbia and losing your security clearance?

Regards,

Robert A

[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]devildog_jim wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Picking up girls and slamming them onto the canvas was so easy and so much fun back then.
[/quote]

When is this ever not fun?[/quote]

When your asshole friend/co-worker doesn’t pay her afterwards and you wind up starting an international scandal in Columbia and losing your security clearance?

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

Suspended, not lost, thankyouverymuch.

[quote]devildog_jim wrote:

[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]devildog_jim wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Picking up girls and slamming them onto the canvas was so easy and so much fun back then.
[/quote]

When is this ever not fun?[/quote]

When your asshole friend/co-worker doesn’t pay her afterwards and you wind up starting an international scandal in Columbia and losing your security clearance?

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

Suspended, not lost, thankyouverymuch.[/quote]

Awesome.

Is it wrong that my biggest problem with that whole thing is that a couple of alleged subject matter experts on risk evaluation and management couldn’t successfully navigate the Hooker in the Hotel Lobby problem?

That isn’t exactly the Kobayashi Maru.

You pay her to go away.

Regards,

Robert A

[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]devildog_jim wrote:

[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]devildog_jim wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Picking up girls and slamming them onto the canvas was so easy and so much fun back then.
[/quote]

When is this ever not fun?[/quote]

When your asshole friend/co-worker doesn’t pay her afterwards and you wind up starting an international scandal in Columbia and losing your security clearance?

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

Suspended, not lost, thankyouverymuch.[/quote]

Awesome.

Is it wrong that my biggest problem with that whole thing is that a couple of alleged subject matter experts on risk evaluation and management couldn’t successfully navigate the Hooker in the Hotel Lobby problem?

That isn’t exactly the Kobayashi Maru.

You pay her to go away.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]
At the very least shut her up. If you can’t intimidate her, how are you going to stop a real threat.

[quote]Robert A wrote:
Well, that seems like a pretty damn minimalist and almost “Dan John” like workout. Not exactly the “should I do 3 sets of 8 or 8 sets of 3 puzzle” and more of the "If I can squat a bunch and do a fast lift I wont run out of strength here kind of epiphany.

Also, I think you said you were very much a pressure/aggressive style of fighter, and a lot of people tense up when facing that. That of course makes them easier to muscle around (not that you weren’t using technique).
[/quote]

Monday and Thursday:
Squat: 5x5
Front Squat : 5x5
Box Squat: 3x6-8

Tuesday and Saturday: rope skipping.

Weds and Friday:

Explosive routine:
Hang Cleans: 5x5
Overhead Press: 5x5
Biceps curls: 3x12
Ropes Pushdown: 3x12

Sunday: Rest

I mean, man, take a hard good look at the programme. One of the best. EVER. I got stronger and AGGRESSIVE following it. Same god damn routine for about 5 years. No technique needed. No sparring. I’d just step in the ring and destroy them.

I’d never bully the weak looking ones though.

[quote]Robert A wrote:
Oh shit, Chris Brown logged in to DarkNinjaa’s account. Run Ninjaa!!! We know what he did to Rhiana. It isn’t worth it.
[/quote]

Hahahaha!!