Ostarine - HGH?

Hey guys.
I’m new here and I have a couple of questions.
I have recently ordered Ostarine and want to know if the product is safe to take. I’m a soccer player and I have a big issue with training to much and to hard, so I get overtrained all the time. My levels of s-testerosterone were down to 5.9,s-shgb 37,s-ft3 2,7, b-hemoglobin 13.3 etc… I bought Ostarine because I want my body to get over the overtraining, help me with a bad knee and ancle,get stronger,faster and help me recover faster so I can be a better soccer player. I train alot in the gym and lift for example 260kg in the deadlift.
I don’t think I will take some more heavy stuff, I’m afraid that will shut down my system of testo and I don’t wanna get caught in a drugtest.

Will it be benificial for me to take Ostarine with hgh and how much should I take of the them?
Or should I take Ostarine with something else?

Hope someone can please help me and give me some advice.I would really appreciate that. The only thing I want in this world is to be a pro soccer player, but my body want let me.
Thanks.

Can someome please give me some feedback. I would be really thankful for it!

Can someone please give me some response? I really want to test ostarine and write a log here, so you guys can get a review of how good Ostarine is. I have thought about taking 12.5 mg each day. What do you guys think?

Ostarine, or any version of SARMs, is largely untested. SO your responses will be very limited in the realm of personal experiences. On paper it looks safe, but like a lot of drugs, only time will tell.

One thing for sure, I do not think Ostarine is the most optimal SARM there is. You may want to look in to the other versions available:

In clinical testing -
Ostarine(MK-2866, GTx-024) - affects both muscle and bone, intended mainly for osteoporosis but also general treatment for andropause and reversing muscle sarcopenia in the elderly and for cachexia in cancer patients.

BMS-564,929 - mainly affects muscle growth, intended as general treatment for symptoms of andropause

LGD-4033 - pharmacological profile similar to that of Ostarine

Pre-clinical -
AC-262,356[11]

JNJ-28330835.[12][13]

LGD-2226 - affects both muscle and bone

LGD-3303[14]

S-40503 - selective for bone tissue, particularly low virilization, intended for osteoporosis and may be suitable for use in women

S-23 - under development as a male hormonal contraceptive[15]

[quote]33 Big Blinds wrote:
Ostarine, or any version of SARMs, is largely untested. SO your responses will be very limited in the realm of personal experiences. On paper it looks safe, but like a lot of drugs, only time will tell.

One thing for sure, I do not think Ostarine is the most optimal SARM there is. You may want to look in to the other versions available:

In clinical testing -
Ostarine(MK-2866, GTx-024) - affects both muscle and bone, intended mainly for osteoporosis but also general treatment for andropause and reversing muscle sarcopenia in the elderly and for cachexia in cancer patients.

BMS-564,929 - mainly affects muscle growth, intended as general treatment for symptoms of andropause

LGD-4033 - pharmacological profile similar to that of Ostarine

Pre-clinical -
AC-262,356[11]

JNJ-28330835.[12][13]

LGD-2226 - affects both muscle and bone

LGD-3303[14]

S-40503 - selective for bone tissue, particularly low virilization, intended for osteoporosis and may be suitable for use in women

S-23 - under development as a male hormonal contraceptive[15]
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Thanks for a answer. I have already ordered Ostsrine. So you don’t that is the best Sarm out there? What about using a sarm with Hgh? Any suggestion for what I should use to be a better soccer player without ruining my hole system?

Well considering Ostarine affects bone growth as well as muscle growth, I wouldn’t think it would be good for any sports. I have not done a ton of research on it, but the sides of Ostarine seem to resemble the same symptoms of acromegaly. If I were to head down that road, and interested solely in physical sports, I would lean towards the BMS-564,929 with a close watch on prostate health. Ultimately both will work, but with the added bone density and potential of ligaments turning to bone, I would mindful of any significant losses of mobility on Osta.

[quote]33 Big Blinds wrote:
Well considering Ostarine affects bone growth as well as muscle growth, I wouldn’t think it would be good for any sports. I have not done a ton of research on it, but the sides of Ostarine seem to resemble the same symptoms of acromegaly. If I were to head down that road, and interested solely in physical sports, I would lean towards the BMS-564,929 with a close watch on prostate health. Ultimately both will work, but with the added bone density and potential of ligaments turning to bone, I would mindful of any significant losses of mobility on Osta.[/quote]
How do you know all this stuff? The problem is that I have already ordered it. Do you have some other PEDs to recommend?
Can someone confirm what Big Blinds is saying?

To start. Finding clinical studies, as well as some personal experience, isnt difficult. But like I said, it is so new to the market that not everything has been discovered like aas.

[quote]33 Big Blinds wrote:

To start. Finding clinical studies, as well as some personal experience, isnt difficult. But like I said, it is so new to the market that not everything has been discovered like aas.[/quote]
I didn’t read anything about bone growth. What do you think other soccer players are taking? Any suggestions of other Peds I can use?

I am not sure what they would be taking. Sarms seem like a good fit for that sport, but I always look at the fact that Osta was created for andropause (good thing for you) and osteoporosis (bad thing for you).

I am sure there will be a lot more on the subject as time goes on.

[quote]33 Big Blinds wrote:
I am not sure what they would be taking. Sarms seem like a good fit for that sport, but I always look at the fact that Osta was created for andropause (good thing for you) and osteoporosis (bad thing for you).

I am sure there will be a lot more on the subject as time goes on.[/quote]
I still havent found any threads where the mentioned anything about bone growth or somewhere else I have read about it. Maybe that can heal ny ancle and knee. Removed ny meniscus and replaced my ACL for tro testa ago and have often joint pain when I’ve trained alot. So you don’t recommend me to use the bottle of Ostarine I ordered? So you think I should try the sarm you are talking about? What about Hgh? I just want to take something to be a better player and train more.

There are a lot of people using it both for standard cycles and for help with PCT. What I was referring to osteoporosis-wise was the potential increase in bone density and bone growth* because of what it was designed for. But then again, it may not have that side effect at all. I think as time goes on you will either see it become extremely popular, or fizzle like a lot of other supplements. Would I do one or two bottles and log it so others could have more insight into what it does? Absolutely. Would I stay on for a year straight? Not without a little more testing and analysis on the product. To me it seems like it promises too much (all the muscle growth of AAS, without any of the sides), which is why I have not personally tried it yet.

*Again, IMO there hasn’t been enough research done to prove that it does anything (only 8 clinical trials).
*I stand corrected, it looks like non-skeletal muscle growth only. So your prostate should be fine.

Here is the most complete info I have found on it:

[quote]What is Ostarine?

Ostarine is the SARM that GTx is developing for the prevention and treatment of muscle wasting. It is currently undergoing clinical trials and may eventually be the medical prescription for prevention of cachexia, atrophy, and sarcopenia and for Hormone or Testoserone Replacement Therapy.

As a research chemical, Ostarine belongs to a class of chemicals known as SARMs or selective androgen receptor modulators. SARMS create selective anabolic activity at certain androgen receptors and not others, hence their name. Compared to testosterone and other anabolic steroids and pro hormones, the advantage of SARMS such as (Ostarine) MK-2688 is that they do not have androgenic activity in non-skeletal-muscle tissues.
Ostarine is effective in not only maintaining lean body mass (LBM) but actually increasing it.

It is often described or named S1 on various interenet sources, however this is actually incorrect as S1 was a SARM that was develped quite early and is no longer undergoing any further development.

How does it work?

Selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs) bind to the androgen receptor and demonstrate osteo (bone) and myo (muscular) anabolic activity.
Androgen receptor activation

Binding and activation of the Androgen receptor alters the expression of genes and increases protein synthesis, hence builds muscle.
So in essence, SARMS such as Ostarine causes muscle growth in the same manner as steroids, however unlike testosterone and other anabolic steroids and prohormones, SARMS (as nonsteroidal agents) donâ??t produce the growth effect on prostate and other secondary sexual organs.

Ostarine in particular exerts its anabolic effects on muscle tissue almost exclusively. So not only does it represent a new potential treatment option for a wide spectrum of conditions from muscle wasting diseases (from age-related to AIDS or cancer-related), but is also has immense potential for muscle building for Bodybuilders, fitness, athletes and an agent to minimize atrophy during recovery periods from serious surgery or similar situations.

Evidence of Ostarineâ??s Abilities?

To date, GTx has evaluated Ostarine in eight clinical trials involving approximately 600 subjects including three efficacy studies. A four month Phase IIb clinical trial enrolled 159 patients with the study meeting its primary objective of an absolute increase in total lean body mass (muscle) compared to placebo and the secondary objective of muscle function (increase in strength).

In particular application to bodybuilding, there have been many logs of users on various forums using Ostarine as an aid to increase lean body mass and strength levels.

Uses of Ostarine

Lean muscle gains (bulking)

As Ostarine is the most anabolic of the available SARMS, its first and formost use must be when trying to gain lean muscle.
Now the gains in absolute weight wonâ??t be comparable to steroids such as diannabol, however what will be gained will almost exclusivley be lean mass. Due to the lack of shutdown in comparison to steroids/prohormones, a PCT period is not needed and almost all the mass that is gained on Ostarine is kept once the cycle is finished.
Doses of 25mg for 4-6 weeks are the most common protocol for such goals. Over this 4-6 week period will typically produce 6lbs or 3kg of lean, keepable gains. However the abundant side effects of steroids/Prohormones will not be present.

Users have as high as 36mg [only recommended for those who weigh in at 210lbs (95kg)+] for periods as long as 8 weeks. However the potential for suppression from such doses is higher and users would have to look into a PCT protocol after undergoing such a cycle.
As the majority of Ostarine supplies come in 30ml bottles at 25mg/ml, a dose of 17.5mg per day will give the user a 6 week cycle from one bottle, a very good compromise between an anabolic dose and cost.

Losing Bodyfat (cutting)

Ostarine would primarily fit into a cutting protocol for the maintainance of muscle mass whilst reducing calories.
One of the most disheartening outcomes of cutting is the loss hard earned muscle mass.
The drop in metabolic rate and hormone levels (T3, IGF, Testosterone etc) with the lack of calories is a perfect catabolic enviroment for loss of muscle tissue.
As Ostarine has anabolic effects, the dieter can cut calories without having to worry about muscle or strength loss.
Ostarine has also shown noticeable nutrient partioining effects among users, another reason why it can be of great help when cutting.

A 12.5-15mg dosing protocol for 4-6 weeks is good for cutting with Ostarine without undergoing any side effects or suppression.
However it must be stated that due to the lack of androgenicity, muscle hardness and overall results are not as prominenant as with the SARM S-4.

Recomping (gaining muscle and losing bodyfat at the same time)

Recomping is where Ostarine really shines.
The recomping effect of losing fat and gaining muscle at the same time is what the majority of users are looking for. Trying to achieve this when you are not absolutely new to training is extremely difficult.
Where Ostarine shines for recomping is in its nutrient partioning benefits. Calories are taken from fat stores and calorie intake is fed to the muscle tissue. In fact many users report that Ostarine consumed at maintainace calories produces weight loss, whilst still getting increases in strength and muscle mass!

One of the most important factors of recomping is TIME. As you are trying to achieve multiple objectives, it requires a longer time period to notice good recomp effects so even when running steroids, these would have to be longer run injectible compounds as oppose to the short used liver toxic oral steroids/Prohormones.

Although Ostarine is taken orally, as it is not methylated it is not as liver toxic as other oral steroids/Prohormones. Therefore it can be run for longer than the standard 4 week period with the aforementioned compounds.

The dosing protocol of 12.5-25mg for 4-8 weeks will give excellent recomp effects.
Diet must also be optimized to where calories are just above maintaninance with at least 30% coming from lean sources of protein to get the best recomp effect.

Injury Prevention

As mentioned by Furuya, the effects of MK-2688 translate to anabolism in bone as well as skeletal muscle tissue, which means it could be used in the future for a wide variety of uses such as osteoporosis and as a concurrent treatment with drugs that reduce bone density.
Therefore it has great application as a compound to use for rehabilitation of injuries, in particular bone and tendon related injuries.

Doses of 12.5mg per day is recommend for such purposes and improvement in joint movement that can be seen after just 6-8 days.
Timing of Doses

As Ostarine has a half life of around 24 hours, each of these doeses only has to be taken orally once a day, therefore its also offers an extremely convientinet supplementation intake.
Ostarine and estrogen concern

SARMS cannot be aromatized, conferring all their effects to AR binding and not to metabolic conversion to active androgens/estrogens.
However blood work from users has shown a slight elevation in serum estradiol levels (which may be one of the factors in its high effectiveness for treating tendon, ligament, and bone injuries or illnesses.
This elevation is extremely small and is no case for concern. If however you are absolutely concerned about slight increases in Estrogen, you can always opt for low doses of OTC aromatase inhibitorâ??s such as 6bromo or very very low doses of prescription aromatase inhibitorâ??s like adex or aromasin.

Advantages Of Ostarine when compared to Steroids/Prohormones

There is no need for pre cycle supports such as Hawthorn berry.
There is no need for on cycle supports such as milk thistle for the liver, policosanol or RYR for cholesterol etc.
Some suppression may be present at doses of 25mg+ run for longer than 4 weeks, however a stringent PCT of prescription SERMs like nolva or Clomid is not necessary.
High oral biovailabilty without significant damage to your liver as with oral steroids/Prohormones.
Great sense of well being while on, (without the aggression which can often detrimentally impact users daily lifes).
No need for a long time period off between cycles; the recommended time of period for normal cycles would be Time on +PCT, so for a typical 6 week cycle and 4 week PCT, a user would have to wait another 10 weeks after PCT to start another cycle.
Ostarine (MK-2866) also resulted in a dose-dependent decrease in LDL and HDL cholesterol levels, with the average LDL/HDL ratio for all doses remaining in the low cardiovascular risk category â?? hence there is little impact on cholesterol values.

Advantages Of Ostarine when compared to other SARMS

The metabolite M1 wich seems to cause toxicity in S4 (temporary occular disturbances) is not present in Ostarine.
Also unlike S4, Ostarine does not have androgenic properties in non muscle tissue.

Ostarine Summary

Anabolic even at doses as low as 3mg
Great for strength
Great for lean mass gains
Great for body recomposition
Great for endurance (aerobic or anaerobic)
Joint healing abilities
Half life of circa 24 hours â?? only once a day dosing required [/quote]

[quote]33 Big Blinds wrote:
There are a lot of people using it both for standard cycles and for help with PCT. What I was referring to osteoporosis-wise was the potential increase in bone density and bone growth* because of what it was designed for. But then again, it may not have that side effect at all. I think as time goes on you will either see it become extremely popular, or fizzle like a lot of other supplements. Would I do one or two bottles and log it so others could have more insight into what it does? Absolutely. Would I stay on for a year straight? Not without a little more testing and analysis on the product. To me it seems like it promises too much (all the muscle growth of AAS, without any of the sides), which is why I have not personally tried it yet.

*Again, IMO there hasn’t been enough research done to prove that it does anything (only 8 clinical trials).
*I stand corrected, it looks like non-skeletal muscle growth only. So your prostate should be fine.

Thanks, I think it’s really great that you are using your time to help me:)

So I should try the bottle I already bought? I think I then will take about 12,5 mg each day.
Are they selling the sarm you were telling me about on the internet? Do you think I should try that or maybe do you think I should take some other PEDs?

I’m using Ostarine and MK-677 at the moment and I believe that with the proper nutrition and smart training both compounds are a good addition to any supplement arsenal.

I’m not experiencing any sides, i’m gaining weight and losing fat and it feels like I’m recovering faster than before.

Can’t comment on its healing properties as I don’t have any injuries.

I have still a month to go and will post a log aftwards.

[quote]ephrem wrote:
I’m using Ostarine and MK-677 at the moment and I believe that with the proper nutrition and smart training both compounds are a good addition to any supplement arsenal.

I’m not experiencing any sides, i’m gaining weight and losing fat and it feels like I’m recovering faster than before.

Can’t comment on its healing properties as I don’t have any injuries.

I have still a month to go and will post a log aftwards.[/quote]

Big Blinds have mentioned that it maybe isn’t that good for me because of bone growth and that will lad to less mobility for my soccer. What do you think about that?
Thanks for sharing info with me:)

[quote]Boateng wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:
I’m using Ostarine and MK-677 at the moment and I believe that with the proper nutrition and smart training both compounds are a good addition to any supplement arsenal.

I’m not experiencing any sides, i’m gaining weight and losing fat and it feels like I’m recovering faster than before.

Can’t comment on its healing properties as I don’t have any injuries.

I have still a month to go and will post a log aftwards.[/quote]

Big Blinds have mentioned that it maybe isn’t that good for me because of bone growth and that will lad to less mobility for my soccer. What do you think about that?
Thanks for sharing info with me:)[/quote]

As far as I recall Ostarine was researched, amongst other things, as a drug to aid the healing of bone fractures, and to prevent osteoperosis in women.

In that respect, I can’t see a downside to using Ostarine as a soccer player but I’m far from an expert and anything you decide to do is your own choosing.

Nothing beats testosterone for price and safety of use.

[quote]ephrem wrote:
Nothing beats testosterone for price and safety of use.[/quote]
I will test the bottle that I have already ordered. Will take 12.5mg each day. I have another question that I want a answer to. Is there any PEds that are better than Ostarine? I have alot of pain in my knee after a ALC surgery and removing my meniscus. Will HGH be good for that? Which drugs will be best for me?

I’m only taking 10mg testogel each day, because my Doc told that I needed to take it so my levels of testo would get to a normal level.

I can’t answer your questions man. I don’t have all the answers. Your doctor would be the guy to go to.

[quote]ephrem wrote:
I can’t answer your questions man. I don’t have all the answers. Your doctor would be the guy to go to.[/quote]
He’s not willing to give me something stronger than testo. That’s who it works in my country. The problem is that I don’t want to ruin my body and i just need some advice from you guys.

What’s the best Peds for a soccer player that is having a lot of problems with injuries? I wanna get stronger,faster and be able to train harder.