[quote]actionjeff wrote:
monkey_space wrote:
Kujo2020 wrote:
monkey_space wrote:
Milk is about 80% casein and 20% whey. I would recommend using water as a base for post workout. Of course you can use milk and it will be better than nothing at all but the point post workout is to get an insulin response to drive the nutrients into the muscles.
That is why I think it is best to use fast digesting protein and sugar. With Surge you will get that. With ON Whey mixed with water and some form of simple sugar you will get that. With ON Whey mixed with milk, while I wouldn’t suggest it would be bad, it will not be optimal. The casein will slow absorption at a time when you don’t want absorption slowed.
I would recommend Surge mixed with water with a scoop of ON Whey added. Or ON Whey mixed with water and a maltodextrin/dextrose or some other simple sugar mix.
If you want/need more calories there are plenty of other feeding opportunities with which to increase your daily intake.
Christopher
Studies has proven otherwise.
Check the following articles:
www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/milk-as-an-effective-post-exercise-rehydration-drink.html
www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/milk-the-new-sports-drink-a-review-research-review.html
Studies has proven what otherwise? That milk is not 80% casein and 20% whey?
Christopher
and?
That casein does not form into a “gel” like substance in the stomach and break down and digest over several hours?
Christopher
so what?
That casein will not slow absorption?
Christopher
of what? Studies have proven that milk and sucrose are either equally as effective or MORE effect than glucose polymers for maximizing protein synthesis and for rehydration in the post-workout period.
That an insulin spike post workout does not shuttle more nutrients into the muscles?
Christopher
Are you insinuating that milk does not spike insulin? I also think you are misunderstanding the relevance of the insulin spike. This review addresses it in detail:
http://user210805.websitewizard.com/files/unprotected/AARR-Jan-2008.pdf
I did not say anywhere in my post that milk would be bad to drink post workout. I just think that sticking with whey for post workout and saving casein/blended proteins for other feeding opportunities would be optimal. This is based on my opinion drawn from numerous studies and by experimenting to find what seems to work best for me. And while I am not saying I am right and everyone else is wrong, what I think is not far off base from what most experts recommend.
Christopher
Why not read the articles linked before saying what is “optimal”?
I still use the Surge product, but just saying “milk is casein and therefore not as good postworkout” does not really take into account any of the relevant issues.
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Wow! I feel like I was attacked when I was just trying to be helpful and state my opinion.
I did read both articles. I also worded my statement as “what seems to work best for me.” I still believe using water as a base with whey is optimal, at least for me it is. I have used milk both by itself and as a base and it “feels” more heavy and I don’t seem to recover as well. I can see the supplement companies misleading us by saying whey is best post workout and casein should be avoided then, but I have a hard time believing they control the many research studies I have read that state the same.
I also don’t see where I said “milk is casein.” I do see where I said “Milk is about 80% casein and 20% whey.”
As mentioned above I was just trying to be helpful and share what has worked best for me. No studies can change that. 
Christopher