Dinosaur Training by Brooks Kubik is one of the best books on training. I never read Bill Starrs book, but read all of his columns in Ironman mag, and he is pretty good also. Brooks and Bill share alot of the same beliefs (big compound exercises, olympic lifts, 5x5 system, rack work), but Kubik also adds in alot of forearm/grip work, 2-3 inch Barbell work, odd object lifts (sandbags, kegs etc) and strongman type lifts. I dumped all my other training programs (Poliquins, Ian King, POF, Heavy Duty, etc)and concentrate on training programs of Kubik, Randall Strossen, McCallum, Bradley Steiner etc. Not that these other methods dont work for muscle mass or strength, but for me 20 rep squat routines, strongman routines etc have developed me from head to toe with unbelievable usable strength, muscle mass, enduranv=ce than anything else.I still love T-Mag for there advice on supplements, diet and drugs (even though I have never used drugs, I am still interested in how they work). That is the only drawback to me,these guys lack are there advice on supplements and diet. They dont feel supplements work, and that drug use is for bunnies. On that one I disagree with them. Most supplements are a scam, but a few work (Tribex, Androsol, Methoxy-7 etc). Just a side not, Steiner once said in Ironman, how if an olympic lifter were to pay as much attention to the diets as a body builder does, than the olympic lifters would be as big muscle wise. I think 20 rep squat programs, kubiks routines, etc should be the back bone, and when you reach up to a significant mass and strength level, then you should do the typical body builder routine to hone in the physque. BTW all of the books sold by Ironmind are top rate and Kubik also has 5 VHS instructional tapes out that are top notch.