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Oly Shoe Question


#1

Looking to order these next week:
http://www.roguefitness.com/store/rogue_dowins.php

I fit into a size 9.5 chuck taylor all-stars with a tiny bit of room in front my my toes (but no room on the sides of my toes or foot). Nike shoes are way too tight on me. I wear size 10 or 10.5 nike basketball sneakers and the sides are pretty okay, it's snug on the sides of my toes but there's plenty space in front of my toes. Can't stand it.

I'm sure the 9.5 chuck taylor's is a much more accurate representation of my actual foot size...

What size should I order for the rogue do-wins? People say to go down half size, but I'm scared to do a size 9. Are they wide shoes? Do they have a wide toebox? Is it okay if there's a bit of room in front of your toes if you're wearing oly shoes?


#2

Can you compete in Vibrams?


#3

Don't really know the answer to this question, but if you're competing in o-lifting, you want o-lifting shoes.

EDIT: Well, I guess the answer is check the rules, maybe you can, but why would you want to?


#4

Because vibrams are BA. I really don't see any shoe being better for you than bare feet or getting really close to bare feet, which vibrams does for someone.


#5

I'm not competing, I just squat twice a week and play basketball to improve my vertical jump. I squat ATG (I have some vids if you'd like to see) and I did 325 for 3x5 this week. My chucks aren't stable enough anymore for me. I've taken squatting very seriously. It's gotten addicting, and sometimes I forget to play basketball.

My gym doesn't allow barefoot squatting and I really don't want vibrams...

Thanks for the replies though. Any ideas on whether I should stick with the 9.5 shoe size or go down a half size for those rogue do-wins?


#6

I think you should go with Vibrams, if you absolutely hate them for lifting (you won't) they are still the single best all purpose footwear you can own, so just buy them first Mkay?

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#7

^ Not to beat a dead horse but why not want the vibrams? I have had a pair for a year now and would not Squat/DL without them. I cant pull up the rogue shoe link here at work.


#8

No experience with the Do-Wins, but if you're looking for an inexpensive Oly shoe, VS Athletics sells some for $70. They are true to size lengthwise and somewhat wide. This is perfect for me since I have wide feet. If you really want the Do-Wins, my experience with other shoe vendors has been that if they say go down a half size, they're usually right. You don't want to be swimming in Oly shoes. The Chinese may be using UK sizing for their shoes. UK sizing is, in fact, a half size different from U.S. sizing.

I am puzzled by the recommendations for the Vibrams. For deadlifting, I agree that a Vibram-type shoe or just socks is the way to go. For squatting I can go either way, but I find squatting in OL shoes to be very comfortable. But for doing the Oly lifts, OL shoes are the way to go. I wasn't able to do full cleans and squats until I got some OL shoes.

There's a reason why OL shoes exist and are worn by serious OLers. One last thing - for someone planning on competing, some meet directors will not allow Vibram-type shoes to be worn in competition. Plus, you'll look like a dork on the platform in Vibrams.


#9

Most people at my gym wear Do-wins, and we all like them. Tend to fit a bit wide, I normally wear a 10.5 in normal shoes (no experience with chucks) and my size 10 do wins fit perfectly- so you may want to go with a 9.5.


#10

OK uhhh... for those recommending Vibrams, you have no idea what you are talking about. Yes I love the shoes and have a pair of my own, but if anyone has any experience in Olympic weightlifting, you would know that a good solid, sturdy pair of Olympic shoes is needed.


#11

I have a feeling this thread didn't originate in the Olympic Lifting section...

If you want shoes to work on the oly lifts, get olympic lifting shoes for christ sakes. Love barefoot training/living but there is a time and place for it.

I have a pair of do-wins and they do fit wide. I would get the half size down if you fit into chucks fine. Rogue's costumer service is second to none, and if you have an issue with them I am sure they will deal with an exchange quickly.


#12

It didn't. It was in GAL when I first commented on it, which explains all the vibram nuthuggery. Why somebody would put a question about oly shoes anywhere other than the oly lifting forum is beyond me.

As far as the shoes themselves, I have nothing to add that hasn't already been said.


#13

some meet directors will not allow Vibram-type shoes to be worn in competition.

Why? I've been looking into the rules on shoes and the best I could find was a restriction on height (as in them not covering your ankles) and a restriction on 'anything that gives an unfair advantage' (unspecified).

If you have a reference to anything that states on what grounds meet directors can refuse a competitor lifting in Vibram-type shoes I'd be grateful.


#14

I was looking for an "equipment" forum but didn't find one. Must've skimmed over the oly lifting section by accident.

Everyone says to go half size down from chucks, so that would mean i get a size 9. I'm too scared to do it though. I guess I'll do it anyway. I'd rather exchange for 9.5 and have it be a tiny roomy, then to get a 9.5 and exchange for a 9 that is too tight and need to exchange back.


#15

Call Rogue... they have great customer service. Seriously, go straight to the source... simplest option


#16

I've seen folks wear vibrams at a recognised competition. It's legal, so far as I know. Also: hilarious.

The Oly shoes might look like chunky bowling shoes, but they're made that way for a good reason. In particular the heel makes deep clean receives possible.

OK, I've deadlifted and back squatted with bare feet, but I like almost everyone cannot front squat without coming up off my heel. And that is where proper Oly shoes will prevent you from dumping the bar.


#17

Yeah, I'm all for oly shoes. Just been trying to look into whether there was a restriction on how high the heel is allowed to be because I need a heel that is higher than most oly shoes. All I found was restriction on them covering your ankle and the 'unfair advantage' thing. I think I'm going to get a cobbler to add an extra wooden wedge to my oly shoes. Was interested to hear if there were extra rules / specifications that I didn't know about before I did this, though.

Best I can figure a lower heel (chucks or barefeet or vibrams) feels best for pulling and a higher heel raise feels best for catching. Guess it is about making the tradeoff...


#18

Dreythe - your last post is basically what I did when I got my shoes. I did end up needing to return the first ones (half size smaller than usual). Figured that it was because I wear my chucks tighter than most. I don't regret trying the smaller ones first, though, because otherwise I think I would be constantly wondering whether the current ones were a little too loose...


#19

Good for you for checking the rules. I just know that we have a local meet here next week where the guys putting on the meet said "No Vibrams." I didn't think anything of it since I have OL shoes anyway. I'm sure it's a safety issue, since it's probably easier to stub or break a toe in Vibrams than OL shoes. Whether this "appeal to safety" is enough to allow them to prohibit Vibrams is an open question.

The only other thing I can think of is this: Do the rules say that "competitors must wear shoes?" I think they do (I don't have them handy). If so, they could make the argument that Vibrams don't qualify as "shoes."


#20

From the IWF website:

4.2 WEIGHTLIFTING FOOTWEAR
4.2.1 The competitors must wear sport footwear (called weightlifting shoes / boots) to protect their feet and give them stability and a firm stance on the competition platform.
4.2.2 Weightlifting footwear must be made in such a way that they do not give the athlete an unfair advantage or additional support other than what is specified in 4.2.1.
4.2.3 A strap over the instep is permitted.
4.2.4 The part of the footwear that covers the heel may be reinforced.
4.2.5 The maximum height permitted on the upper part of the footwear, measured from the top of the sole, is 130 mm.
4.2.6 The sole must not extend from the footwear by more than 5 mm at any point.
4.2.7 The footwear may be made of any material or combination of materials.
4.2.8 There is no minimum or maximum height of the soles.
4.2.9 There are no restrictions in regards of the shape of the footwear.

Interpret it as you will. Also, how closely local comps meet the regulations outlined by the IWF probably varies significantly.