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Oil for Weight Gain

Hey all,

I recently was reading about all the benefits of different oils such as canola, oil, and flax. I was also reading the benefits of higher fat diets from authors such as DiPasquale. (Higher anabolic hormone levels). Even Dan John talks about how great sipping oil is (even if I’m gulping it) I’m also in the process of gaining some weight myself. Then it hit me while I was trying to cram down a quart of brown rice and kidney beans, next to an equally large bowl of chili. Oil is so calorie dense. One cup of oil comes in at a whopping 2,000 calories. Then I started adding this stuff into my diet. I could drink a cup of the stuff and not feel full, fantastic. Gone are the days of a completely bloated stomach. My weight is continuing to go up steadily again as well.

What is so awesome about drinking oil is that it is so easy to do. Its by far the easiest way I can think of to take in a plethora of healthy calories in no time flat. I always hear of people complaining about their stomachs being too full to eat more. Although I have never had much trouble eating upwards of 5,000 calories, this was pretty neat.

What is even better is that oil won’t make you go broke. It isn’t an expensive supplement weight gainer. I make a canola oil/olive oil mixture myself. Canola oil is dirt cheap. Olive oil is also relatively inexpensive and has a great price/calorie ratio. Canola is loaded with omega 3s and oil has the antioxidant squalene. Its a win win situation.

My body responds pretty well to higher fat diets, so it works well for me. However, I was wondering what others think of drinking oil and if anyone has tried it? Does the idea of drinking a nice tall glass of oil make you cringe? If it doesn’t, try it out and tell me what you think. Its working really well for me.

-poper

-bump

any other opinions? pros, cons?

jaystyles

Any research articles you want to link to, that advocate sipping cup amounts of oils?

Eh-I don’t see any problem supplmenting with oil to help reach calorie goals. UNLESS, it’s crowding out the protein and carbs you need to grow. In my opinion, 2000 calories of oil, 1000 calories each of protein and carbs (about 250 each) may not cut it (depending on size). If you only needed 3500 calories, and 2000 came from fat that’s less protein and carbs.

I think this act can lead you down the wrong path. Everyone who has gained a great deal of size has had to teach their bodies to accept more food. It takes time, effort, and often many episodes of forcing food down in order to reach a goal. You are attempting to bypass that. What happens when you need more calories? More oil? Why would you avoid getting your body to adapt to a greater food intake? Do you honestly think that anyone went from 150-to well over 200lbs without getting their body to adapt to more food in one sitting? So you feel full sometimes. Big deal. Deal with it until your body adapts like everyone else.

Why would you think that the fat in oil would not support growth? 250 grams of protein in a day is ample protein to grow according to most sports nutritionists. Unless you are carrying 400-500 pounds of lean body mass, which doesn’t happen. Also. I don’t believe you need all the extra carbohydrate when bulking, only enough to refill glycogen stores and fuel your brain and body.

Keep in mind that the people complaining and saying I feel too bloated to eat, usually don’t weight more than 180 pounds in the first place. Therefore 250g of protein isn’t a bad amount of protein at all.

However, if you have trouble choking down thousands of carbs per day, they could be substituted with the oil. Even Lonnie Lowery states about 100g of fat per day elicits big boosts in anabolic hormones like testosterone. So, if you get the added bonus of those anabolic hormones while not skimping on the mandatory carbs (just eating enough carbs and then using oil when you can’t eat anymore) then I don’t see why supplementing with oil is not great for someone gaining weight or people who have a hard time gaining weight.

Also, you don’t need to drink exactly one cup per day. It can be used as a substitute for as many calories as you need. Of course you wouldn’t sacrifice the mandatory protein in your diet for the oil. You’d be cutting out the cups of rice and other carbs you’d be overconsuming.

Its just so easy to do, and would save time and money for the athlete. The oil doesn’t fill up your stomach like a big bowl of oatmeal, and doesn’t cause you to retain water either.

This is just what I think. I’d really like to hear some other people’s opinions, especially those who appreciate lower carb diets like the anabolic diet.

-poper

Prof X,

Good point, nothing beats being able to eat a truckload of food.

I do beleive that more fat in the diet is helpful for those who give up simply because they think drinking a gallon of milk per day is too much to handle.

If you tell someone looking to gain weight to change their diet completely to gain weight, chances are, they won’t. If you tell them something simple and helpful to their diet, they might accept it.

You also can’t beat the omega 3’s, boosted test. levels and convenience of slugging a bit of oil when you’re busy and don’t have time to eat a full meal.

Keep it coming guys.

-poper

[quote]poper wrote:
If you tell someone looking to gain weight to change their diet completely to gain weight, chances are, they won’t. If you tell them something simple and helpful to their diet, they might accept it.[/quote]

Bullshit. If someone won’t change their diet then they clearly don’t want it bad enough. They sound like a poster earlier who claimed that he never worked out for more than 3 months in a row. I mean, seriously, do you think that every guy you see with big biceps just woke up one day like that?

They worked hard and ate enough to see gains. Anyone not willing to do that obviously isn’t hard enough to deal with training for years on end for the soul purpose of making yourself better. I could care less about holding the hands of those not dedicated.

True again

Nothing can piss you off more than giving someone good advice only to see that they never follow any of it.

[quote]poper wrote:
Prof X,

If you tell someone looking to gain weight to change their diet completely to gain weight, chances are, they won’t. If you tell them something simple and helpful to their diet, they might accept it.

-poper[/quote]

Not if they’re serious about putting on quality mass…Besides, eating MORE of the grains, protein, and fruits and veggies you’re already eating is a lot less of a departure than drinking a cup of oil a day.

(of course you don’t have to drink it straight-you could space it out and use it for protein salads, etc…)

I am not an expert in nutrition by any means, however I found the following exchange to be fascinating and would like to share it with you.

Last November, I had an interesting conversation with three Navy SEALs (two active duty and one twelve year veteran) and the world famous alpinist, Mark Twight (check him out on Amazon.com). We were discussing how nutrition affects the body’s ability to perform under extreme circumstances and helps to prevent over-use injuries.

One of the comments, which all four agreed upon, was that in extreme environments, how many calories were consumed was not nearly as important as what comprised the calories. The example given was a cut on the hand in severe artic weather under extreme training conditions. On a diet of 10,000 calories a day without high levels of fat, the cut would remain essentially unhealed, even after a week. Likewise, other physical factors of performance would also deteriorate.

After adding substantial amounts of fat (Mark Twight prefers olive oil and likes to joke that his metabolism prefers a protein/carb/fat ratio of 40-30-200!), the cut rapidly healed even with a significant reduction in calories down to about 7,000.

In this particular instance and situation, high levels of dietary fat were essential for the optimum functioning of the body. I have wondered whether this increased efficiency in bodily performance might extend to other circumstances as well. Likewise, I have been considering the possible implications of this for high level athletic performance ever since.

Yours in Fitness,
Coach Sommer

Now THAT is very interesting, thanks for the input coach.

I really do belive that higher levels of fat are beneficial. Personally I respond well to eating more fat and can eat more calories (more fat but less carbs) without the weight gain of many carbs. It probably varies a lot with different people.

-poper

Read Berardi’s lastest article…hot off the press. Boy, is this timely or what.

TNT

I usually go with a nice 30-weight. Just a quart a day, and I’m good to go.

Quaker State is my preference, but Pennzoil has a nice nutty flavor that breaks up the monotony.

I’ve been on the AD since it’s inception. 10 years to be exact. Olive Oil is the king for gaining mass and keeping your gut from growing at mach speed. You’ve got two things to consider, and two thing ONLY. Caloric content and caloric quality. With Olive Oil, you get the best of both. For my 200-250g of fat per day, I’ll use at least 50-80g of Olive Oil. Just be sure to eat some solids with it to keep it from making a rapid exit ;-).

On the AD, I’ll use an ounce of cheese or a small amount of walnuts as well as a protein shake to “gum things up”. As a side not, there are literally hundreds of nutrients in the oil and numerous anti-oxidants. Also it has the highest tolerance for heat before it transmutates. Keep your fish and flax oil at lower levels (say 10-20g) as polyunsats have been shown to lower T levels if taken in to high amounts. Mauro (Doc DiPas) suggests keeping them to about 10-20% of your total fat intake. Monounsat fats have a strong pro-T effect, too, so enjoy.

Best,
DH

So how do i go out doing this, let just say i don’t fancy the idea of drinking a cup of oil, would blending it in a drink me ok?

[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
I’ve been on the AD since it’s inception. 10 years to be exact. Olive Oil is the king for gaining mass and keeping your gut from growing at mach speed. You’ve got two things to consider, and two thing ONLY. Caloric content and caloric quality. With Olive Oil, you get the best of both. For my 200-250g of fat per day, I’ll use at least 50-80g of Olive Oil. Just be sure to eat some solids with it to keep it from making a rapid exit ;-).

On the AD, I’ll use an ounce of cheese or a small amount of walnuts as well as a protein shake to “gum things up”. As a side not, there are literally hundreds of nutrients in the oil and numerous anti-oxidants. Also it has the highest tolerance for heat before it transmutates. Keep your fish and flax oil at lower levels (say 10-20g) as polyunsats have been shown to lower T levels if taken in to high amounts. Mauro (Doc DiPas) suggests keeping them to about 10-20% of your total fat intake. Monounsat fats have a strong pro-T effect, too, so enjoy.

Best,
DH[/quote]

I haven’t tried it for gaining yet, but I have realized this about ‘fat’. I am finding it is easier to reduce ‘fat’ by ingesting protein and fats and keeping my carbs limited to fruit and vegis. Any other carbs make me feel bloated (except oatmeal for breakfast on the weekends).

Just noticed how often I have typo’s in my posts. Please disregard. My mouth is faster than the fingers. Really hate that… :wink:

Yeah, you can mix it with your protein shake. Something to make it more palatable would be to take a spoon or two of oil and mix it in the shake with a spoon or two of heavy whipping cream. Then mix in some sugar free jello for seasoning. Or just put it in with your Grow. Placing it on salads and cooking with it liberally works well, too.

DH

[quote]icklemoley wrote:
So how do i go out doing this, let just say i don’t fancy the idea of drinking a cup of oil, would blending it in a drink me ok?[/quote]

Thats great Dischoss, I didn’t think this thread was still alive. Thats amazing that you’ve followed the AD so long.

I’ve used the anabolic diet in the past for a few months. I really felt it helped me build up some solid mass with little body fat gain, just as Dr. Mauro says. I only back because I like the idea of pre,para,post workout drinks.

Really you can add oil to whatever you’d like. I’d only recommend taking it without a load of carbs in the same meal.

-poper

[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
Just noticed how often I have typo’s in my posts. Please disregard. My mouth is faster than the fingers. Really hate that… ;-)[/quote]

You do realize you can edit your posts, right?

I sometimes have the same problem.