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Obama's 'Universal Voluntary Public Service'

[quote]bald eagle wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
This guy is a catastrophe waiting to be elected.

You better believe it. The problem is all the mindless people out there saying - we want change, we want change, we want change.

They don’t know what the heck they want. They don’t have afreaking clue.

Raise taxes on those making over 250k - YEAH! YEAH!

Morons - who do they think employs most people and is the source of most job creation? Small, medium and many large private businesses that are sub s corporations or LLC’s and the owners are taxed on the individual level.

Now how in the world is raising taxes on business owners going to help the employees make more plus add new jobs?

You want to grow the economy - cut the cap gains to 10% or how about 0% like Hong Kong. Cap gains is taxed on money that people put at risk (which creates jobs) - something they do NOT have to do.

However, nothing goes straight up forever including the economy - rough times always happen (shocker - but even Clintons last year in 2000) and must be plowed through.

What? Is Barry going to eliminate the business cycle? I don’t think so.

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 Exactly. Ever since I've been hearing about the campaign slogans about "change" it hasn't sit well with me at all. The correct term should be "Let's fix the country" and it is true, we have prolems, so let's face them and actually fix it, not bring about change that'll undermine the foundations from which our country was founded on.

 People are very stupid, they've already let this man brainwash their perception. Ask anyone who supports Obama and they can't tell you with a straight face why they support him, why they think he's our messiah, why he's this, why he's that. All they can say are exactly what he says in his slogans and basically what the media has said about him. They've made people think that if they vote against him, it cause he's black and they are racist, so make it so that white people vote for him just to prove they arent racists. Bullshit. 

  I don't like either candidate, but Obama i think would be the worse choice. I think which ever way this election goes, things will probably not be good, but at least McCain isn't going around making people going through a "Bootcamp". Maybe he'll make it the law for everyone to serve in the military, but so far he hasn't said that. 

  Besides, even if this "Bootcamp" does happen, it won't follow through, nor will people buy into this socialism shit Obama is trying to bring about for long. People already feel as though their rights are being lost day by day and if Oba tries to go dictator on us, Americans won't stand for it. Another civil war would break out, and it would be much uglier this time. Or is this Obama's eventual plan? Could be, even my 12 year old nephew called him Emperor Palpatine, maybe the kid has a point. 

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
You folks aren’t going to be too happy to hear McCain seemed to be suggesting additional government service via americorp/peace corp/etc today on Face the Nation.

Let’s face it, if you don’t like the idea of young people serving their country, you won’t like either of the presidential choices this year.

Its true, both candidates believe in service to one’s nation.

It’s also true that the OPs article is so biased as to be completely absurd.

After the Republican Convention it seems conventional to knock public service, but stop and think about it for a minute, public service is a great thing and should be supported. [/quote]

‘Public Service’ is the best euphemism of all time. Scratch that. ‘Choice’ is the greatest of all time. ‘Public Service’ is #2.

  1. Round up a bunch of malleable/easily influenced kids.
  2. Get them away from their conservative/traditional parents.
  3. Reorder their view of the world around the class system.
  4. Teach them about the inequities of capitalism.
  5. Send your new little marxist soldiers back out into the world.

Now that’s change we can believe in.

[quote]flyboy51v wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:

After the Republican Convention it seems conventional to knock public service, but stop and think about it for a minute, public service is a great thing and should be supported.

‘Public Service’ is the best euphemism of all time. Scratch that. ‘Choice’ is the greatest of all time. ‘Public Service’ is #2.

  1. Round up a bunch of malleable/easily influenced kids.
  2. Get them away from their conservative/traditional parents.
  3. Reorder their view of the world around the class system.
  4. Teach them about the inequities of capitalism.
  5. Send your new little marxist soldiers back out into the world.

Now that’s change we can believe in.

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This post is a perfect example. Some republicans actually are looking down on service to one’s country as some nefarious thing. This despite both parties promoting it.

Sad days on the republican party when “service” is promoted one day, and then made fun of the next.

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

This post is a perfect example. Some republicans actually are looking down on service to one’s country as some nefarious thing. This despite both parties promoting it.

Sad days on the republican party when “service” is promoted one day, and then made fun of the next. [/quote]

Who is looking down on service to one’s country?

No, I don’t think it is service they have a problem with. I know that’s not the case for me. Service is to be admired. But “boy I get paid to protest! Isn’t that kewl?!!11!!1” thing is not sitting well with me.

No one is suggesting to get paid to protest. The OP is some obviously biased BS. Some of the posters on here suggesting that public service is some sort of euphemism are looking down upon service. Young people who–for example–join americorps or the foreign service are not becoming “marxist soldiers.”

Service to one’s country and/or community is extremely admirable. This is why both candidates are advocating it. This is why both candidates are suggesting to increase the ways young people can serve. This thread is a perfect example of disrespect where people think that service is somehow “leftist.” Service is not partisan.

[quote]sluicy wrote:
Investor’s Business Daily: “Michelle’s Boot Camp for Radicals”

"Barack Obama was a founding member of the board of Public Allies in 1992, resigning before his wife became executive director of the Chicago chapter of Public Allies in 1993.

Obama plans to use the nonprofit group, which he features on his campaign Web site, as the model for a national service corps. He calls his Orwellian program, ‘Universal Voluntary Public Service.’

“Big Brother had nothing on the Obamas. They plan to herd American youth into government-funded reeducation camps where they’ll be brainwashed into thinking America is a racist, oppressive place in need of ‘social change.’”

Full article here:

http://license.icopyright.net/user/viewFreeUse.act?fuid=MTQ5Mzk0OQ==

There was a camp like this for jr. high/high schoolers where I grew up and it’s not over the top to say that yes, it’s simply socialist indoctrination. Most telling quote of the article:

“Shun the ‘money culture,’ Barack added. ‘Individual salvation depends on collective salvation.’”

Thoughts?[/quote]

Good find, Sluicy! And wow! As this stuff comes out, we can see Obama’s poll numbers shrinking.

If people think he’s got some hidden agenda, then he’s definitely done.