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Obama's 'Universal Voluntary Public Service'

Investor’s Business Daily: “Michelle’s Boot Camp for Radicals”

"Barack Obama was a founding member of the board of Public Allies in 1992, resigning before his wife became executive director of the Chicago chapter of Public Allies in 1993. Obama plans to use the nonprofit group, which he features on his campaign Web site, as the model for a national service corps. He calls his Orwellian program, ‘Universal Voluntary Public Service.’

“Big Brother had nothing on the Obamas. They plan to herd American youth into government-funded reeducation camps where they’ll be brainwashed into thinking America is a racist, oppressive place in need of ‘social change.’”

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There was a camp like this for jr. high/high schoolers where I grew up and it’s not over the top to say that yes, it’s simply socialist indoctrination. Most telling quote of the article:

“Shun the ‘money culture,’ Barack added. ‘Individual salvation depends on collective salvation.’”

Thoughts?

I really wish he would just tell us what he really wants for America. It seem obvious to me but I would like to hear him spell it out for me.

It appears to me that he only whats people with money to shun the money culture. If he redistribute money from the money culture isn’t he introducing more to the money culture?

I would also like to know what he means by salvation. I don’t think he means the spiritual sense as public service would not lead to collective spiritual salvation.

I wouldn’t be too concerned with indoctination as the indoctrinated probably are not able to think for themselves anyway and would have ended up libs anyway. When/if they learn to think for themselves they’ll move toward libertarianism.

Ok, quite frankly, that scares the everliving FUCK out of me. Maybe it’s just because I recently re-re-re-read 1984. I dunno. But that’s terrifying. I think of how stupid most of my 18-26 year old peers are, and then about what that will do to them… and I contemplate moving to Hong Kong.

America (ie American Liberty) is lost.

This is right out of the Communist playbook – Dumb down several generations to complete historical ignorance, foster Central dependence while waging class warfare, then re-educate.

Almost half (or more…) of those who choose to vote this election will vote for the Marxist-Leninist.

“I compel you to volunteer.”

One look at this playbook - which has been a part of the Obama camp for some time - should dispel any rumors that he is a “centrist” or a “moderate”.

He wants to take fashionable radical academic theory and put it into policy. He has promoted this since his days as an inconsequential state legislator.

There are liberals, and there are Leftists - and Obama is, undoubtedly, an unreconstructed Leftist.

Too many people just do not have a clue about economics. They are too easy to fool.

While we here all the doom and gloomers about the economy today, it is doing better than any European country, and the Europeans are the ones the dems want to be like.

We are marching toward the Europeans (and the masses really don’t know it) and the Europeans are moving closer (slowly anyway) toward us.

They are starting to understand (ie the recent French elections) that 8, 10 and even 12 weeks of vacation among other gov imposed crap just doesn’t cut it in a competitive world.

Americans do not want socialism (at least not yet) but too many are too stupid to see through a guy like Obama.

You folks aren’t going to be too happy to hear McCain seemed to be suggesting additional government service via americorp/peace corp/etc today on Face the Nation.

Let’s face it, if you don’t like the idea of young people serving their country, you won’t like either of the presidential choices this year.

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
You folks aren’t going to be too happy to hear McCain seemed to be suggesting additional government service via americorp/peace corp/etc today on Face the Nation.

Let’s face it, if you don’t like the idea of young people serving their country, you won’t like either of the presidential choices this year. [/quote]

No one is against service to their country. What we are against is socialist indoctrination. Big difference.

[quote]bald eagle wrote:
No one is against service to their country. [/quote]

And by service to their country, you mean invade defenseless countries on the other side of the globe.

[quote]bald eagle wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
You folks aren’t going to be too happy to hear McCain seemed to be suggesting additional government service via americorp/peace corp/etc today on Face the Nation.

Let’s face it, if you don’t like the idea of young people serving their country, you won’t like either of the presidential choices this year.

No one is against service to their country. What we are against is socialist indoctrination. Big difference.[/quote]

Agreed. Providing ways and means for lazy/unAmerican citizens to be even more so with government money is very different from using government money to defend the freedom which allows said people live in American liberty to be lazy/unAmerican, alongside the ones who work hard and love their country.

[quote]lixy wrote:
bald eagle wrote:
No one is against service to their country.

And by service to their country, you mean invade defenseless countries on the other side of the globe.[/quote]

I would appreciate if irritating terrorist loving parasites would stay off my thread. Go organize your community.

edit I would like to add to all current and past T-Nation servicemembers in all places, respect and appreciation.

[quote]lixy wrote:
bald eagle wrote:
No one is against service to their country.

And by service to their country, you mean invade defenseless countries on the other side of the globe.[/quote]

If this is meant to be a jab at servicemembers then it fails pretty hard.

Governments wage war. They make the decisions. The military is the physical representation of government and carries out those decisions. We are professional warfighters and we do our job, because war is exactly that; our job.

For servicemembers to publicly voice their political/government related opinions is unprofessional in my eyes, so I will refrain from doing so. However, your trite retorts have no substance or purpose other than to inflame a legitimate argument.

I have respected your comments in the past because you are free to share them. People serve for the sake of serving, among other reasons. Whether the nation is at peace or war should not make a difference upon service or not.

[quote]njrusmc wrote:

If this is meant to be a jab at servicemembers then it fails pretty hard.[/quote]

Don’t be fooled by Lixy - he doesn’t engage in good faith.

He attempts to turn every thread - no matter the topic - into an anti-Iraq war rant, in order to satisfy his childlike mania.

[quote]lixy wrote:
bald eagle wrote:
No one is against service to their country.

And by service to their country, you mean invade defenseless countries on the other side of the globe.[/quote]

I was kinda thinking picking up trash, hanging out with old people and painting community murals but whatever float your boat I guess…

But yeah. This shit is scary. Not as scary as Jesus Camp on a base level, but being government sponsored gives it a huge boost in the “freaky” department.

[quote]dhickey wrote:
I would also like to know what he means by salvation. I don’t think he means the spiritual sense as public service would not lead to collective spiritual salvation.
[/quote]

I thought this as well. All I could think was (recent Ayn Rand debates aside)wow, that’s awfully Toohey-esque. I think, though, that he stated exactly what he means. Salvation (whatever that is) is found through collectivism, meaning that’s not just the means, it is the end.

I’m not educated enough yet to give a label to that sort of thought, but that’s my take. Stupid, yet scary as well. Why do people think this way?!! Honestly, psychologically, what compels them to believe crap like that?

[quote]njrusmc wrote:
Governments wage war. They make the decisions. The military is the physical representation of government and carries out those decisions. We are professional warfighters and we do our job, because war is exactly that; our job. [/quote]

I understand that. I know a good deal of people (including close family members) who chose a career in the military, and without exceptions, their speech is exactly like yours.

The argument that “we do our job” is weak, very weak. Passing the responsibility of one’s actions onto others higher up in the chain of command is not something that passes the test of common sense. But I suppose you have to rationalize it somehow to be able to get through it.

I’ve heard this said before, but everytime it was because the person feared repercussions for him/herself and his/her career advancements. This “unprofessional” bit is new to me. I can’t make any sense out of it. What exactly is it that makes having public opinions “unprofessional”?

Agreed. No other excuse for my “trite retort” other than Bald_Eagle’s posts get on my nerves.

Most of the time, I can look past it. Sometimes, I just snap.

I am free to share my opinions? Who woulda thunk it?

Good for them. It’s no reason to turn into drones who’ll buy blatantly deceitful justifications to invade broken countries on the other side of the world, turn them into hellholes, give Al-Qaeda & co a good boost, etc.

OK. But all wars weren’t created equal. If you remove patriotic fervor, there’s virtually nothing to say that the American soldier who dies in Iraq did so for his/her country.

The soldier is a pawn. They risk limbs and lives to advance the agenda of politicians. Seeing how the pay is meager with respect to the risks, the latter has to find BS to keep the soldiers going and attract new ones.

Enters nationalism in all its forms. This discussion, of course, excludes the ones that fight in legitimate defense. Obviously, when your land is in danger, you go and you fight the aggressor whether it’s your job or not.

Peace.

[quote]lixy wrote:
njrusmc wrote:
Governments wage war. They make the decisions. The military is the physical representation of government and carries out those decisions. We are professional warfighters and we do our job, because war is exactly that; our job.

I understand that. I know a good deal of people (including close family members) who chose a career in the military, and without exceptions, their speech is exactly like yours.

The argument that “we do our job” is weak, very weak. Passing the responsibility of one’s actions onto others higher up in the chain of command is not something that passes the test of common sense. But I suppose you have to rationalize it somehow to be able to get through it.

For servicemembers to publicly voice their political/government related opinions is unprofessional in my eyes, so I will refrain from doing so.

I’ve heard this said before, but everytime it was because the person feared repercussions for him/herself and his/her career advancements. This “unprofessional” bit is new to me. I can’t make any sense out of it. What exactly is it that makes having public opinions “unprofessional”?

However, your trite retorts have no substance or purpose other than to inflame a legitimate argument.

Agreed. No other excuse for my “trite retort” other than Bald_Eagle’s posts get on my nerves.

Most of the time, I can look past it. Sometimes, I just snap.

I have respected your comments in the past because you are free to share them.

I am free to share my opinions? Who woulda thunk it?

People serve for the sake of serving, among other reasons.

Good for them. It’s no reason to turn into drones who’ll buy blatantly deceitful justifications to invade broken countries on the other side of the world, turn them into hellholes, give Al-Qaeda & co a good boost, etc.

Whether the nation is at peace or war should not make a difference upon service or not.

OK. But all wars weren’t created equal. If you remove patriotic fervor, there’s virtually nothing to say that the American soldier who dies in Iraq did so for his/her country.

The soldier is a pawn. They risk limbs and lives to advance the agenda of politicians. Seeing how the pay is meager with respect to the risks, the latter has to find BS to keep the soldiers going and attract new ones. Enters nationalism in all its forms.

This discussion, of course, excludes the ones that fight in legitimate defense. Obviously, when your land is in danger, you go and you fight the aggressor whether it’s your job or not.

Peace.[/quote]

I would be extremely worried if what I wrote did not get on your nerves. Anyone who slams our military members needs to have a shoe placed somewhere.

Name one country who has brought freedom to more people than the USA. Don’t bother trying to come up with one you little idiot - you won’t find one.

Our count is over 1 billion people.

This guy is a catastrophe waiting to be elected.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
This guy is a catastrophe waiting to be elected. [/quote]

You better believe it. The problem is all the mindless people out there saying - we want change, we want change, we want change.

They don’t know what the heck they want. They don’t have afreaking clue.

Raise taxes on those making over 250k - YEAH! YEAH!

Morons - who do they think employs most people and is the source of most job creation? Small, medium and many large private businesses that are sub s corporations or LLC’s and the owners are taxed on the individual level.

Now how in the world is raising taxes on business owners going to help the employees make more plus add new jobs?

You want to grow the economy - cut the cap gains to 10% or how about 0% like Hong Kong. Cap gains is taxed on money that people put at risk (which creates jobs) - something they do NOT have to do.

However, nothing goes straight up forever including the economy - rough times always happen (shocker - but even Clintons last year in 2000) and must be plowed through.

What? Is Barry going to eliminate the business cycle? I don’t think so.

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
You folks aren’t going to be too happy to hear McCain seemed to be suggesting additional government service via americorp/peace corp/etc today on Face the Nation.

Let’s face it, if you don’t like the idea of young people serving their country, you won’t like either of the presidential choices this year. [/quote]

Its true, both candidates believe in service to one’s nation.

It’s also true that the OPs article is so biased as to be completely absurd.

After the Republican Convention it seems conventional to knock public service, but stop and think about it for a minute, public service is a great thing and should be supported.