How should we judge Barack Obama? Well, why don’t we use his own words?
“Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself.” - Barack Obama
Van Jones - Radical
Cass Sunstein - Radical
John Holdren - Radical
Ezekiel Emanuel - Radical
Mark Loyd - Radical
Tim Geithner - Tax cheat
Kathleen Sebelius - Tax cheat
Tom Dascle - Tax cheat
Kevin Jennings - Pervert
Honorable Mention:
Tony Rezko
Jeremiah Wright
William Ayers
ACORN
Now, who wants to begin a one year scorecard? I would, but just thinking of this man being in charge of our country, the noblest and most moral country in the history of the world, causes me unbearable grief.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Well, Obama turned George W Bush from being the biggest spender in history to being a complete piker and distant also-ran in that department.
Not easy to do.[/quote]
Bush made Obama spend all that money. Massive debt and deficits caused huge bubbles and a collapsing economy. Obama had to increase the debt and deficits to…save…us…all…
Uh, oh!!
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Well, Obama turned George W Bush from being the biggest spender in history to being a complete piker and distant also-ran in that department.
The deficit this year actually was due to Bush’s policies. It was a over a trillion before Obama had been sworn in.
“The economic recovery efforts, through the Troubled Asset Relief Program for financial institutions, known as Tarp, and the $787 billion, two-year stimulus package, accounted for just under a quarter of the deficit, they said.”
I can’t decide if you really don’t know what you’re talking about, or if you’re simply letting the right-wing hive mind do your thinking for you.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
The good part about history from this point forward is that it will be simple to understand. Everything that goes wrong is the fault of George Bush.
There, no more need for debate of any kind.[/quote]
Of course, the lack of CSPAN coverage with the healthcare bill is Bush’s fault. So is the CornHusker Kickback and the $300 million payoff to Blanche Lincoln. Yep, yessiree, the tax exemptions for the unions too. Bush Bush Bush. So is the $3.8 Trillion budget he is sending to Congress.
[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Strawman. Not everything is Bush’s fault (no one is making that argument). But this deficit is.[/quote]
You DO know that Congress writes the stuff and the President signs it? He can indicate what he (or she – ‘Run Sarah Run!’) wants and has a lot of input.
Its no secret that the Dems should really be called the Government Party (Pat Buchanon calls them this). If you love big nanny government…well, there you go.
The trouble with putting yourself at the mercy of a nanny is that the nanny might have an agenda that is not so benevolent. Look how they got the income tax in – by only taxing the very wealthy. Now anyone making over 50k per year gets hammered.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
The good part about history from this point forward is that it will be simple to understand. Everything that goes wrong is the fault of George Bush.
There, no more need for debate of any kind.[/quote]
Obama is already a failure. He had a mandate that could have pushed through some REAL change to Wall Street ownage of the government. THAT’S WHY HE WAS HIRED!
Libs should be mad as hell. Obama handed the keys to Nancy and Harry (in bed with the banks) and decided to tour the world, telling it that we are evil.
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“but just thinking of this man being in charge of our country, the noblest and most moral country in the history of the world,”
I have to say, that - as an outsider who doesn’t really know the intricacies of American politics - this is not the view of the rest of the world: either of Obama or America.
I was having a conversation in work the other day during a conference about the ‘Obama effect’ and it was a common theme that it was America that was stopping Obama from making America more noble and moral. This conversation included a Filipino, a Dutch chap, an Egyptian and 2 Australians (one male, one female) and I’m from the UK, so quite a range of views from around the world.
It is often joked: America; are you ready for change? Yes! Yes! Actually, wait…no!
This isn’t me starting a debate or anything; it’s just interesting how the opinions of a population differ from those who are on the outside looking in.
Yes, there’s nothing like people from foreign countries for having the real insight into America. Every foreigner is an expert on things American.
Funny though how if an American poses as having authoritative or even remotely valuable opinions on say Filipino politics, or Dutch, Egyptian, or Australian, this is considered arrogant, ignorant, and ridiculous. (And in most of the rare cases where this may happen, probably rightly so.)
Another funny thing though is that Americans, unlike wisenheimers from various other countries, nearly always have the sense to not do this.
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“as an outsider who doesn’t really know the intricacies of American politics”
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“This isn’t me starting a debate or anything; it’s just interesting how the opinions of a population differ from those who are on the outside looking in.”
True, your post was not an extreme case of this by any means.
Still, I didn’t have the impression that your actual view of what these several people had to say was that their opinions on American politics were of no more value and no better basis than, let’s say, a typical American’s opinion on the politics or political figures of their countries; or were otherwise likely rather baseless.
Very true, I know a LITTLE more than most but still know very little about the ‘nuts and bolts’ of American politics. Most people I know who aren’t interested in politics in the slightest ie. the general population seem to think they have some new-found knowledge because they watched a few 5 minute segments about Obama on the national news.
I watched a documentary about Obama’s first year and even though it mentioned how things were far from perfect; he still came out with his ‘aura’ intact.
You’d be surprised at how accurate your view of Brown is: it is pretty much how us British view him!
Actually my view of Brown’s personality is really derived almost entirely from reading the comments posted to British newspaper articles that I find on the web. So it’s not direct knowledge: I just assume that if from hundreds of comments a large majority of you all seem to have a given opinion of one of your politicians, that is probably a sound way to look at him. So it’s not in-depth at all, but it immediately struck me that Brown would be an exception to what I think is the general case that world leaders in general that have been involved directly with Obama have found nothing to favorably impress them.
Btw, I now notice that my previous post that mentioned Brown, now does not do so.
The site has a way of accepting an edit, having it appear on the board in the edited form for a while, and then for some reason going back to the original post.
Anyway, the part that is now missing said something like, "While it seems true that a large number of people in general in other countries think Obama is super-duper, when it comes to leaders of these countries who have actually worked with Obama, it would be hard to think of a single one who has come to much of a favorable impression of him.
“Well, except for Brown, who seems to have had a rather pathetic man-crush on Obama that is not based on any ‘diplomacy’ of Obama or any other actions of his.”
[quote]gemartii wrote:
Very true, I know a LITTLE more than most but still know very little about the ‘nuts and bolts’ of American politics. Most people I know who aren’t interested in politics in the slightest ie. the general population seem to think they have some new-found knowledge because they watched a few 5 minute segments about Obama on the national news.
I watched a documentary about Obama’s first year and even though it mentioned how things were far from perfect; he still came out with his ‘aura’ intact.
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I think we watched the same documentary . Was that the one where they showed Sara Palin signing autographs for her book and how she had a growing fan base?
You’d be surprised at how accurate your view of Brown is: it is pretty much how us British view him![/quote]
The BNP will soon rid Britain of the communist/socialist muddle puddle its in.
Anyway, the banks pretty much own our politics here. Obama could have crushed them and returned America to its rightful owners. Americans figured out he’s just another scammer though, so he’s losing elections/support over here.
He recently lectured our Supreme Court about the Constitution, in Congress yet. I wish they’d all have walked out on him, the egomaniacal slippery-tongued crook.
