"John Holdren: whom Barack Obama has recently appointed Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, and Co-Chair of the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology – informally known as the United States’ Science Czar. In a book Holdren co-authored in 1977, the man now firmly in control of science policy in this country wrote that:
â?¢ Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not; â?¢ The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation’s drinking water or in food;
â?¢ Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise;
â?¢ People who “contribute to social deterioration” (i.e. undesirables) “can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility” – in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.
â?¢ A transnational “Planetary Regime” should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans’ lives – using an armed international police force."
“In today’s world, however, the number of children in a family is a matter of profound public concern. The law regulates other highly personal matters. For example, no one may lawfully have more than one spouse at a time. Why should the law not be able to prevent a person from having more than two children?”
To calm all your fears, here’s a link that includes the video of Holdren’s nomination hearing where he explains these sorts of statements and explicitly says he does not still feel this way about population control.
[quote]stokedporcupine8 wrote:
To calm all your fears, here’s a link that includes the video of Holdren’s nomination hearing where he explains these sorts of statements and explicitly says he does not still feel this way about population control.
Let me guess though, now the guy’s just lying? [/quote]
I don’t know. He wrote a 900 page book and now wants a big job with Obama. Did Obama know about the book and its contents? Is he lying?
[quote]stokedporcupine8 wrote:
To calm all your fears, here’s a link that includes the video of Holdren’s nomination hearing where he explains these sorts of statements and explicitly says he does not still feel this way about population control.
Let me guess though, now the guy’s just lying? [/quote]
Probably not, but personally, I never fantasized about building a surveillance state to have total control over all womens productive organs.
Let us say he is not that radical anymore but the general gist of his sentiments is still the same?
[quote]orion wrote:
stokedporcupine8 wrote:
To calm all your fears, here’s a link that includes the video of Holdren’s nomination hearing where he explains these sorts of statements and explicitly says he does not still feel this way about population control.
Let me guess though, now the guy’s just lying?
Probably not, but personally, I never fantasized about building a surveillance state to have total control over all womens productive organs.
Let us say he is not that radical anymore but the general gist of his sentiments is still the same?
Could that be a tad worrying?
[/quote]
Also keep in mind that he was not the only author of the book. The two other authors are known to have radical views. We really don’t even know just what part of the book were written by him or just how far he ever endorsed certain things in the book.
I’m not saying the book is no big deal, I’m just saying I really don’t think image of Holdren as some foaming-at-the-mouth super eco-fascist (wait, weren’t these guys suppose to be socialists?) that comes across in HH’s post is really accurate.
I would agree though that if nothing else this gives us pause about the guys judgment, but on the other hand it was almost 40 years ago. I don’t think anyone here would want to be held accountable for everything they did or said in their 20’s.
[quote]stokedporcupine8 wrote:
orion wrote:
stokedporcupine8 wrote:
To calm all your fears, here’s a link that includes the video of Holdren’s nomination hearing where he explains these sorts of statements and explicitly says he does not still feel this way about population control.
Let me guess though, now the guy’s just lying?
Probably not, but personally, I never fantasized about building a surveillance state to have total control over all womens productive organs.
Let us say he is not that radical anymore but the general gist of his sentiments is still the same?
Could that be a tad worrying?
Also keep in mind that he was not the only author of the book. The two other authors are known to have radical views. We really don’t even know just what part of the book were written by him or just how far he ever endorsed certain things in the book.
I’m not saying the book is no big deal, I’m just saying I really don’t think image of Holdren as some foaming-at-the-mouth super eco-fascist (wait, weren’t these guys suppose to be socialists?) that comes across in HH’s post is really accurate.
I would agree though that if nothing else this gives us pause about the guys judgment, but on the other hand it was almost 40 years ago. I don’t think anyone here would want to be held accountable for everything they did or said in their 20’s. [/quote]
First, this whole Czar thing, which I never liked in the first place, has gone way outta hand with this guy. Second, if we’re going to have unelected, unaccountable individuals in these positions he can’t find some without pasts like this?
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
stokedporcupine8 wrote:
To calm all your fears, here’s a link that includes the video of Holdren’s nomination hearing where he explains these sorts of statements and explicitly says he does not still feel this way about population control.
Let me guess though, now the guy’s just lying?
I don’t know. He wrote a 900 page book and now wants a big job with Obama. Did Obama know about the book and its contents? Is he lying?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
stokedporcupine8 wrote:
To calm all your fears, here’s a link that includes the video of Holdren’s nomination hearing where he explains these sorts of statements and explicitly says he does not still feel this way about population control.
Let me guess though, now the guy’s just lying?
I don’t know. He wrote a 900 page book and now wants a big job with Obama. Did Obama know about the book and its contents? Is he lying?
Maybe better to be safe than sorry?
You’re right.
Let’s listen to the guy that just used “doomsdayreport.com” and “Zombietime.com” (really bro? Zombie time?) as a source.[/quote]
Quotes from a book have nothing to do with the name of the site. And you know that site names are sensationalized to get an audience; like Testosterone Nation.
Now, if Obama dropped the ball on this guy, what might we JUST be on alert for regarding Sotomajor? Another fumble?
He does sound extreme in his methods for population control. I always had the idea of releasing something in a product only non-pregnant women would drink (for instance alcohol) that would cause serialization if that person. Since not everyone drinks that type of drink, only a percentage of the population would be effected (not entire pop). People would hate you for doing it (when they eventually found out), but something this drastic seems like the only solution that is viable.