[quote]vroom wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
I said if it wasn’t for the courts I’d vote for him for that very purpose. The only problem with that is that the average functioning recall in this country is about an hour. In a few years history would already be rewritten and we’d be facing another flowery of these flowery socialist asswipes.
Oh come on, it’s only fair. We’ve already had the pleasure of the entire Bush package – twice.
It’s not like a later Republican leader can’t unravel Obama’s policies if he or she chose to do so.[/quote]
Are we supposed to be the keepers of our extended family? Are we supposed to take responsibility for them when they do stuff that other people disagree with?
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Why is Obama’s aunt relevant to anything?
Are we supposed to be the keepers of our extended family? Are we supposed to take responsibility for them when they do stuff that other people disagree with?
Give me a break…[/quote]
His aunt became relevant when he decided he’ll make me the keeper of strangers, even moreso than the present.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Sloth wrote:
His aunt became relevant when he decided he’ll make me the keeper of strangers, even moreso than the present.
Nonsense.
It’s fine if you disagree with him economically, but that’s no reason to use such shitty logic in an attempt to smear him with this issue.
The economic ideology issue can stand on it’s own.
Stretching reality so far just implies you’ve been sucking back kool-aid instead of thinking things through.[/quote]
What?! If the son of a bitch wants to force others to subsidize strangers, the fact that his own aunt is left in a slum is my damn business. How about he keep his nose out of OUR business?
Out of our paychecks, out of our healthcare, how we decide to redistribute or own money (if we even choose to), etc. If Mr. “I know what’s best for you” politician wants to play Community Organizer in Chief with our wealth, he better damn sure have his own house in order. Arrogant bastards.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Sloth wrote:
His aunt became relevant when he decided he’ll make me the keeper of strangers, even moreso than the present.
Wait a second, how do you know she is dependent on welfare? Is it because she’s…black?
If taxes and entitlements weren’t an issue would you still care if people come to this country without “permission”?[/quote]
Yes, it’s because she’s black. Furthermore, slavery wasn’t so bad. The south should’ve won. And burning crosses make for a great marshmellow roast. Geeeeeeze…
Normally, I’d answer your question seriously, but there you go.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Since when does one “manage” ones aunts or uncles?
I don’t have a problem with your views on his taxation stance, lucky you if he’s actually going to tax you, but do you have to buy into the deeper bullshit.
Is the buzz phrase not PERSONAL responsibility? You vehemently stated you weren’t responsible for the actions of your parents or grandparents… but aunts and uncles, that’s obviously a different story.
Retarded, as usual.
rainjack wrote:
The stupid motherfucker wants to take money from me because it’s “fair” - but he can’t even manage his own family.
You aren’t bad, you are just an idiot.
Since when did we start letting fucking canadians vote in our elections?
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You don’t have a fucking clue what you are talking about.
I guess nothing really changes. The elitist canadian dipshit is once again here to tell everyone how wrong they are.
You have no dog in this fight. You are a fucking canadian. Nothing you say or think has any bearing whatsoever on real people.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
You don’t have a fucking clue what you are talking about.
I guess nothing really changes. The elitist canadian dipshit is once again here to tell everyone how wrong they are.
You have no dog in this fight. You are a fucking canadian. Nothing you say or think has any bearing whatsoever on real people.[/quote]
Since when is it elitist to have an opinion?
Speaking of elitism, thankfully you’ll never be in a position to determine who qualifies as a real person and who doesn’t.
In any case, if your only argument is the physical location of the person making an argument, then you have no argument at all. You’re right… nothing really changes.
Since when is it elitist to have an opinion?[/quote]
When an elitist is giving one.
You can’t vote in our elections, or participate in our processes - it doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure out that you do not qualify as a real person. You are a fake. A poser. Someone who so desperately needs to matter that you have to opine on a political process that you cannot participate in.
You never disappoint. Like a fine Swiss watch, you can be depended on to miss the most obvious of points.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
You can’t vote in our elections, or participate in our processes - it doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure out that you do not qualify as a real person. You are a fake. A poser. Someone who so desperately needs to matter that you have to opine on a political process that you cannot participate in.[/quote]
What a pile of shit.
Both of us are losers typing our opinions to the world… maybe you are the one desperate to matter?
Keep slinging insults, it’s what you are best at and known for.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Sloth wrote:
His aunt became relevant when he decided he’ll make me the keeper of strangers, even moreso than the present.
Nonsense.
It’s fine if you disagree with him economically, but that’s no reason to use such shitty logic in an attempt to smear him with this issue.
The economic ideology issue can stand on it’s own.
Stretching reality so far just implies you’ve been sucking back kool-aid instead of thinking things through.[/quote]
Explain how this is shitty logic.
-He wants to impose a plan that will make working Americans pay for Americans who are not working.
-His aunt is living off a housing plan which she is not entitled to.
-His aunt would provided for by those who are working, when she is not legally in the country.
-He does not live up to his own standards. He wants others to take of those who do not work, yet he does not aid the woman whom allegedly spends holidays with him.
[quote]RebornTN wrote:
Explain how this is shitty logic.
-He wants to impose a plan that will make working Americans pay for Americans who are not working.
-His aunt is living off a housing plan which she is not entitled to.
-His aunt would provided for by those who are working, when she is not legally in the country.
-He does not live up to his own standards. He wants others to take of those who do not work, yet he does not aid the woman whom allegedly spends holidays with him.[/quote]
Well, it sounds like you have his tax plan confused with welfare. Welfare is already alive and well – it isn’t going to spring into existence if Obama is elected.
Obama himself has said that his Aunt should abide by the laws, implying that she should leave the country – or whatever process is in place should happen to her just like anyone else.
Obama pays taxes just like everyone else. As long as the government is currently managing welfare style programs he is probably putting more money into the pot than most of the people complaining about this issue… whether or not it is voluntary.
Finally, as I mentioned before, it is rare that people are fully aware of or take responsibility for extended family such as aunts and uncles. Seriously, I have aunts and uncles that I see once a year, maybe, and I would certainly not be first in line to know about issues that impact them nor would I be expected to look after them – assuming I actually had the resources to do so.
If you dislike Obama’s economic policies, that’s cool, but there’s no need to make an issue out of nothing in order to talk about them. Piling on bullshit just weakens your argument.
Finally, as I mentioned before, it is rare that people are fully aware of or take responsibility for extended family such as aunts and uncles. Seriously, I have aunts and uncles that I see once a year, maybe, and I would certainly not be first in line to know about issues that impact them nor would I be expected to look after them – assuming I actually had the resources to do so.
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Alright, I hear what your saying. But I still have a problem with regards to how you consider your family. You wouldn’t know if your family did not belong in the country, and take actions to either help them legally move into the country, or to help them get back home safely?
[quote]RebornTN wrote:
Alright, I hear what your saying. But I still have a problem with regards to how you consider your family. You wouldn’t know if your family did not belong in the country, and take actions to either help them legally move into the country, or to help them get back home safely?[/quote]
I honestly don’t know. It would probably depend on how close I was to the person in question. I think it’s fair to wonder about how close he was to this aunt.
I did have an alcoholic uncle, but it was never my place as a younger person than he to get involved in the situation directly. I saw him a couple times a year and my grandmother (his mother), who I saw much more often, fretted about it and bothered him about it plenty.
I probably would not have found out about the issue if I hadn’t heard my grandmother talking about it – my uncle certainly never brought it up.
[quote]vroom wrote:
RebornTN wrote:
Alright, I hear what your saying. But I still have a problem with regards to how you consider your family. You wouldn’t know if your family did not belong in the country, and take actions to either help them legally move into the country, or to help them get back home safely?
I honestly don’t know. It would probably depend on how close I was to the person in question. I think it’s fair to wonder about how close he was to this aunt.
I did have an alcoholic uncle, but it was never my place as a younger person than he to get involved in the situation directly. I saw him a couple times a year and my grandmother (his mother), who I saw much more often, fretted about it and bothered him about it plenty.
I probably would not have found out about the issue if I hadn’t heard my grandmother talking about it – my uncle certainly never brought it up.[/quote]
Not to be rude, but your uncle is in a completely different category. There is a difference between imbibing toxic amounts of liquids, which is a personal choice that effects your uncle mainly, and living in a country illegally and using programs to support yourself which are unjustly given.
I would like to think that your family would have given more attention to your uncle should he have done something illegal, such as (without trying to take it to extremes or offend) held up an establishment, or became an illegal drug dealer. Both which are illegal.
Summary; To the best of my knowledge being an alcoholic is not illegal, as it is undefinable, thus leaving you little legal room to aid the person. Breaking an established law gives you more defined options.
[quote]RebornTN wrote:
I would like to think that your family would have given more attention to your uncle should he have done something illegal, such as (without trying to take it to extremes or offend) held up an establishment, or became an illegal drug dealer.
Both which are illegal. Summary; To the best of my knowledge being an alcoholic is not illegal, as it is undefinable, thus leaving you little legal room to aid the person. Breaking an established law gives you more defined options.
I hope that made sense.[/quote]
It makes sense, but again, you assume that everyone knows everything about everyone else.
If my uncle had done something illegal, would he bother to make sure we knew about it?
However, what if he smoked pot once in a while or something? Should we then have stepped in and reported him to authorities… what is it you are suggesting? I don’t think most of the world expects family members to rat on each other willingly?
[quote]vroom wrote:
RebornTN wrote:
I would like to think that your family would have given more attention to your uncle should he have done something illegal, such as (without trying to take it to extremes or offend) held up an establishment, or became an illegal drug dealer.
Both which are illegal. Summary; To the best of my knowledge being an alcoholic is not illegal, as it is undefinable, thus leaving you little legal room to aid the person. Breaking an established law gives you more defined options.
I hope that made sense.
It makes sense, but again, you assume that everyone knows everything about everyone else.
If my uncle had done something illegal, would he bother to make sure we knew about it?
However, what if he smoked pot once in a while or something? Should we then have stepped in and reported him to authorities… what is it you are suggesting? I don’t think most of the world expects family members to rat on each other willingly?[/quote]
Your analogy about the drunkard uncle makes little sense. But if you want to make it simple, it would be something like this: your uncle, who happens to live in the US, was under a court order not to enter Canada for some years, let’s say from 2002 until 2010.
Yet he attended family reunions and parties in 2004 and 2006 and came to your graduation in 2007. You meet with him on each occasion and do not ask him how come he made it to Canada when he was not supposed to be there in the first place (not to mention he is actually living in Toronto in PUBLIC housing)?!? And when he’s caught you say you didn’t know?
To me that is bull, but everyone is entitled to an opinion.
[quote]vroom wrote:
RebornTN wrote:
I would like to think that your family would have given more attention to your uncle should he have done something illegal, such as (without trying to take it to extremes or offend) held up an establishment, or became an illegal drug dealer.
Both which are illegal. Summary; To the best of my knowledge being an alcoholic is not illegal, as it is undefinable, thus leaving you little legal room to aid the person. Breaking an established law gives you more defined options.
I hope that made sense.
It makes sense, but again, you assume that everyone knows everything about everyone else.
If my uncle had done something illegal, would he bother to make sure we knew about it?
However, what if he smoked pot once in a while or something? Should we then have stepped in and reported him to authorities… what is it you are suggesting? I don’t think most of the world expects family members to rat on each other willingly?[/quote]
Not all people can rat on their own family members, but if you are running for office as Obama is, then it would be in your best interest to tell your illegal aunt to leave the country cause all the bullshit you’ve been telling people you want votes from would make you look like the bullshitter that you are.
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
If this lowlife slug manages to get himself elected it’s going to be even more tragic, if that’s possible, watching his bleeting sheep explain the disaster that follows.
If Jehovas Witnesses could do it, I’m sure democrats are capable of it, too.[/quote]
Huh? I don’t get it. Can you explain please?
If JWs could what? Get elected? Explain what disaster?