ObamaCare Bill Bans Gun Control

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]conservativedog wrote:

Anytime a left wing non-thinking socialist can’t answer the bell to win a round of debate the result is as predictable as the turning of the earth. RACIST. WING NUT. HOMOPHOBE.

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Aragorn is far from a socialist. Not that I’d expect you to let the truth come between yourself and a good old fashioned mouth-frothing rant.[/quote]

I got a giant kick out of that too. Actually started laughing out loud…it would be painfully obvious to anybody who’s ever read a thing I’ve posted on here that I’m about as far away from socialist as you can reasonably be! Lol.

I always knew he was extreme, but the fact he actually called me socialist is the cincher to let me know I can safely ignore everything he says as a raving lunatic. And if that wasn’t enough, it would have happened when he mentioned TVs with cameras watching him lol.

Is it just me or is there something crazy in the water? Seems in the last couple weeks or so several people have just made quantum leaps towards crazy (not that our esteemed british MI-6 operative was ever near reasonable)[/quote]

You ARE a socialist. A least, standing next to him.

[quote]Karado wrote:
“Don’t resort to name calling like your other three amigos”

Three Amigos? Is Steve Martin, Chevy Chase and Martin Short on here?
Sweet![/quote]

LOL

this post made my day!

By the way, I too admire Orwell tremendously without liking the particulars of his politics. “Politics and the English Language” is a better writing coach than a four-year degree in English. And then there’s “Shooting an Elephant,” and Animal Farm, and most importantly Nineteen Eighty-Four.

Maybe we can salvage this thread yet if we turn it into an Orwell discussion.

Is anybody here going to buy a gun, or hastening their gun purchases for fear or the upcoming executive orders designed to punish law abiding citizens?

We were planning on purchasing guns when are kids were a little older, but because of the treat on gun ownership, we are going to go ahead and purchase them this year.
Damn, I feel the itch, maybe go to the gun range today and practice. I have really grown fond of the .357 Magnum. I have shot a lot different guns, but the feel, the weight and the simplicity of this gun is really appealing to me. I seem to gravitate towards revolvers. And besides, if I can’t get’em in 7 shots, having 6 more I doubt will help me. Hell with a .357, you really only need one shot.

I just thought of a new thread for GAL…

[quote]pat wrote:
Is anybody here going to buy a gun, or hastening their gun purchases for fear or the upcoming executive orders designed to punish law abiding citizens?

We were planning on purchasing guns when are kids were a little older, but because of the treat on gun ownership, we are going to go ahead and purchase them this year.
Damn, I feel the itch, maybe go to the gun range today and practice. I have really grown fond of the .357 Magnum. I have shot a lot different guns, but the feel, the weight and the simplicity of this gun is really appealing to me. I seem to gravitate towards revolvers. And besides, if I can’t get’em in 7 shots, having 6 more I doubt will help me. Hell with a .357, you really only need one shot.

I just thought of a new thread for GAL…[/quote]

I have a 44 mag and a 38 . The 44 is about 5 lbs too heavy for hiking. Which is why I usually take my 38. I am considering buying a gun but IMO I am hoping the party of no stay true , at least on this bill

[quote]smh23 wrote:
By the way, I too admire Orwell tremendously without liking the particulars of his politics. “Politics and the English Language” is a better writing coach than a four-year degree in English. And then there’s “Shooting an Elephant,” and Animal Farm, and most importantly Nineteen Eighty-Four.

Maybe we can salvage this thread yet if we turn it into an Orwell discussion.[/quote]

Then you may revere Homage to Catalonia, and be repulsed by Down and Out in Paris and London.

[quote]pat wrote:
Is anybody here going to buy a gun, or hastening their gun purchases for fear or the upcoming executive orders designed to punish law abiding citizens?
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Yes.

My husband and I have purchased a shotgun, a rifle and an HK P30L V1 with safety 40 S&W.

On your comment about only one shot being needed, my husband has a good friend who is an ER physician and who has had many cases of criminals being shot repeatedly by 357 Magnums, having needed many shots to take them down. He says that it seems that the hardened criminal type may be stopped only by loss of blood pressure, the spine being severed, or the brain being destroyed. The gun magazines suggest an overwhelming magic shock effect, but the magnum revolver rounds just aren’t in the category of high powered rifle rounds which actually can have that effect.

[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:
By the way, I too admire Orwell tremendously without liking the particulars of his politics. “Politics and the English Language” is a better writing coach than a four-year degree in English. And then there’s “Shooting an Elephant,” and Animal Farm, and most importantly Nineteen Eighty-Four.

Maybe we can salvage this thread yet if we turn it into an Orwell discussion.[/quote]

Then you may revere Homage to Catalonia, and be repulsed by Down and Out in Paris and London.[/quote]

Having lived in Spain for a sizable chunk of my life, I’ve read Homage a number of times. Have yet to read Down and Out, though my brother recommends it highly.

[quote]pat wrote:
Is anybody here going to buy a gun, or hastening their gun purchases for fear or the upcoming executive orders designed to punish law abiding citizens?

We were planning on purchasing guns when are kids were a little older, but because of the treat on gun ownership, we are going to go ahead and purchase them this year.
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I may not be telling you anything new, but investment wise $$ you missed the boat by about three weeks. Prices shot up on most everything gun related after the Sandy Hook Elementary school tragedy. AR15 had been selling for around $1000 and in many places went to $2000. Magazines that were $15-$20 went to $45-$60.

Guns as an investment may not be on some of the younger guys radar but you are talking about something comparable to gold and silver when purchasing name brands. When banks are offering next to nothing for savings account or CD returns, guns have been a viable hedge against inflation. Besides you can’t take your CD out and play with it or do anything enjoyable with it as you can with guns.

Take care of them, clean them and keep them lubricated. I highly a recommend a product called frog lube, which is plant based and even edible. Not just for guns, watch this amazing video:

[quote]conservativedog wrote:

Guns as an investment may not be on some of the younger guys radar but you are talking about something comparable to gold and silver when purchasing name brands. When banks are offering next to nothing for savings account or CD returns, guns have been a viable hedge against inflation. Besides you can’t take your CD out and play with it or do anything enjoyable with it as you can with guns.

Take care of them, clean them and keep them lubricated. I highly a recommend a product called frog lube, which is plant based and even edible. Not just for guns, watch this amazing video:

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I agree on the investment. That was why I also invested on the HK.

And thank you for the frog lube suggestion.
Just today my husband was researching about lubricants.

Because of concerns about trans-dermal absorption he was using Ballistol as it is non toxic, and it’s good to have another option.

Thank you!

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]conservativedog wrote:

Anytime a left wing non-thinking socialist can’t answer the bell to win a round of debate the result is as predictable as the turning of the earth. RACIST. WING NUT. HOMOPHOBE.

[/quote]

Aragorn is far from a socialist. Not that I’d expect you to let the truth come between yourself and a good old fashioned mouth-frothing rant.[/quote]

I got a giant kick out of that too. Actually started laughing out loud…it would be painfully obvious to anybody who’s ever read a thing I’ve posted on here that I’m about as far away from socialist as you can reasonably be! Lol.

I always knew he was extreme, but the fact he actually called me socialist is the cincher to let me know I can safely ignore everything he says as a raving lunatic. And if that wasn’t enough, it would have happened when he mentioned TVs with cameras watching him lol.

Is it just me or is there something crazy in the water? Seems in the last couple weeks or so several people have just made quantum leaps towards crazy (not that our esteemed british MI-6 operative was ever near reasonable)[/quote]

You ARE a socialist. A least, standing next to him.[/quote]

Lol. I stand corrected! But…Standing next to him even Glenn Beck might be considered a socialist.

I do think he is even less likeable than HH. I regret every even considering coming to his defense once…may I never repeat that gruesome mistake.

[quote]Alpha F wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
Is anybody here going to buy a gun, or hastening their gun purchases for fear or the upcoming executive orders designed to punish law abiding citizens?
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Yes.

My husband and I have purchased a shotgun, a rifle and an HK P30L V1 with safety 40 S&W.

On your comment about only one shot being needed, my husband has a good friend who is an ER physician and who has had many cases of criminals being shot repeatedly by 357 Magnums, having needed many shots to take them down. He says that it seems that the hardened criminal type may be stopped only by loss of blood pressure, the spine being severed, or the brain being destroyed. The gun magazines suggest an overwhelming magic shock effect, but the magnum revolver rounds just aren’t in the category of high powered rifle rounds which actually can have that effect.
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This is also why Larry Correia and a bunch of others are against magazine round limits on legislation…blood loss stops the vast majority of attackers, not the “shock” effect.

And yes. I don’t think I even have the budget to buy one, but I’m going to anyway. It’s just a crying shame I can’t take out a loan for the stuff I REALLY want (i.e. the things that are going to certainly be banned…like custom outfitted AR’s). Best I can do is try to make sure I have a lot of high cap magazines before they get struck down. Incidentally Correia has an interesting fact about those…

[quote]"First off, why do gun owners want magazines that hold more rounds? Because sometimes you miss. Because usuallyâ??contrary to the moviesâ??you have to hit an opponent multiple times in order to make them stop. Because sometimes you may have multiple assailants. We donâ??t have more rounds in the magazine so we can shoot more, we have more rounds in the magazine so we are forced to manipulate our gun less if we have to shoot more.

The last assault weapons ban capped capacities at ten rounds. You quickly realize ten rounds sucks when you take a wound ballistics class like I have and go over case after case after case after case of enraged, drug addled, prison hardened, perpetrators who soaked up five, seven, nine, even fifteen bullets and still walked under their own power to the ambulance. That isnâ??t uncommon at all. Legally, you can shoot them until they cease to be a threat, and keep in mind that what normally causes a person to stop is loss of blood pressure, so I used to tell my students that anybody worth shooting once was worth shooting five or seven times. You shoot them until they leave you alone.

Also, youâ??re going to miss. It is going to happen. If you can shoot pretty little groups at the range, those groups are going to expand dramatically under the stress and adrenalin. The more you train, the better you will do, but you can still may miss, or the bad guy may end up hiding behind something which your bullets donâ??t penetrate. Nobody has ever survived a gunfight and then said afterwards, â??Darn, I wish I hadnâ??t brought all that extra ammo.â??

So having more rounds in the gun is a good thing for self-defense use.'[/quote]

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

And yes. I don’t think I even have the budget to buy one, but I’m going to anyway. It’s just a crying shame I can’t take out a loan for the stuff I REALLY want (i.e. the things that are going to certainly be banned…like custom outfitted AR’s). Best I can do is try to make sure I have a lot of high cap magazines before they get struck down.
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My only concern on those was that if an order to surrender ARs is passed I would lose the investment.
I thought that that would come before handguns and may be an indicator of similar actions to come.

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Incidentally Correia has an interesting fact about those…

[quote]"First off, why do gun owners want magazines that hold more rounds? Because sometimes you miss. Because usuallyâ??contrary to the moviesâ??you have to hit an opponent multiple times in order to make them stop. Because sometimes you may have multiple assailants. We donâ??t have more rounds in the magazine so we can shoot more, we have more rounds in the magazine so we are forced to manipulate our gun less if we have to shoot more.

The last assault weapons ban capped capacities at ten rounds. You quickly realize ten rounds sucks when you take a wound ballistics class like I have and go over case after case after case after case of enraged, drug addled, prison hardened, perpetrators who soaked up five, seven, nine, even fifteen bullets and still walked under their own power to the ambulance. That isnâ??t uncommon at all. Legally, you can shoot them until they cease to be a threat, and keep in mind that what normally causes a person to stop is loss of blood pressure, so I used to tell my students that anybody worth shooting once was worth shooting five or seven times. You shoot them until they leave you alone.

Also, youâ??re going to miss. It is going to happen. If you can shoot pretty little groups at the range, those groups are going to expand dramatically under the stress and adrenalin. The more you train, the better you will do, but you can still may miss, or the bad guy may end up hiding behind something which your bullets donâ??t penetrate. Nobody has ever survived a gunfight and then said afterwards, â??Darn, I wish I hadnâ??t brought all that extra ammo.â??

So having more rounds in the gun is a good thing for self-defense use.'[/quote][/quote]

It’s a good reminder, thanks!

[quote]conservativedog wrote:Besides you can’t take your CD out and play with it or do anything enjoyable with it as you can with guns.

Take care of them, clean them and keep them lubricated. I highly a recommend a product called frog lube, which is plant based and even edible.[/quote]
Quick Googling to get an idea of what various people are saying about it showed that very many have a very favorable opinion of it.

The most interesting comparison with other lubricants was to me this one: Frog Lube - AR15.COM

It does appear that rather than being independently developed by a Navy Captain with a talent for chemistry and the time to have pursued that, Frog Lube may be either a rebranding or clone of Thompson Center Natural Lube Plus 1000 with different coloring.

That doesn’t make it any less useful of a product: it just indicates that there’s a money-saving option.

Also of possible concern was that both Frog Lube and the T/C product were found to freeze solid, which in some climates could be a bad thing, and the FL was in some cases found to not work well compared to other CLP’s once only thinner amounts were present, or much residue built up.

With regard to the suggestion on that thread to use a good synthetic grease, in the past I used Amsoil food grade grease (http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/grease/x-treme-synthetic-food-grade-grease/ ) and it worked fine.

[quote]Alpha F wrote:

It’s a good reminder, thanks!
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Here’s another, more on the legal side of things illustrating the absolute nonsense…

[quote]Finally, letâ??s look at the logistical ramifications of another magazine ban. The AWB banned the production of all magazines over ten rounds except those marked for military or law enforcement use, and it was a felony to possess those.

Over the ten years of the ban, we never ran out. Not even close. Magazines are cheap and basic. Most of them are pieces of sheet metal with some wire. Thatâ??s it. Magazines are considered disposable so most gun people accumulate a ton of them. All it did was make magazines more expensive, ticked off law abiding citizens, and didnâ??t so much as inconvenience a single criminal.

Meanwhile, bad guys didnâ??t run out either. And if they did, like I said, they are cheap and basic, so you just get or make more. If you can cook meth, you can make a functioning magazine. My old company designed a rifle magazine once, and Iâ??m no engineer. I paid a CAD guy, spent $20,000 and churned out several thousand 20 round Saiga .308 mags. This couldâ??ve been done out of my garage.

Ten years. No difference. Meanwhile, we had bad guys turning up all the time committing crimes, and guess what was marked on the mags found in their guns? MILITARY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT USE ONLY. Because once again, if youâ??re already breaking a bunch of laws, they can only hang you once…Once the AWB timed out…immediately every single gun person in America went out and bought…a bucket of new magazines, because nothing makes an American want to do something more than telling them they canâ??t. Weâ??ve been stocking up ever since. If the last ban did literally nothing at all over a decade, and since then weâ??ve purchased another hundred million magazines since then, another ban will do even less.[/quote]

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

Here’s another, more on the legal side of things illustrating the absolute nonsense…
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It is pretty obvious.
Fear driven emotionality is fueling the current hysteria.
Hopefully, even if there is a ban, it will be short lived.

For you, on the AR-15 and your current financial means, I would say keep an eye and an ear opened for somebody who bought now but could not really afford it and will end up having to sell it.

I would like to point out that I read “Keep the Aspidistra flying” and “Down and out in Paris and London” at the age of 17.

Am I bragging?

Yes.

Arw any of you qualified to judge Orwell?

No?

Read them, them is good books.

[quote]orion wrote:
I would like to point out that I read “Keep the Aspidistra flying”

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Down with the Money God!

I couldn’t get past the fact that his neuroses regarding his attractiveness to women seemed to bleed through onto the pages of Aspidistra.

[quote]Alpha F wrote:

My only concern on those was that if an order to surrender ARs is passed I would lose the investment.
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NRA Says Congress Will Not Pass Weapons Ban

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., responded with a flat out “no” when asked on CBS’ “Face the Nation” whether Congress would pass a ban on assault weapons.

Democratic West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin, a lifelong member of the NRA has said everything should be on the table to prevent another tragedy like Newtown. But he assured gun owners he would fight for gun rights at the same time. “I would tell all of my friends in NRA, I will work extremely hard and I will guarantee you there will not be an encroachment on your Second Amendment rights,” Manchin said on ABC’s “This Week.”

The NRA’s deep pockets help bolster allies and punish lawmakers who buck them. The group spent at least $24 million in the 2012 elections - $16.8 million through its political action committee and nearly $7.5 million through its affiliated Institute for Legislative Action. Separately, the NRA spent some $4.4 million through July 1 to lobby Congress. Keene insists the group represents its members and not just the gun manufacturers, though he said the NRA would like industry to contribute more money to the association.

“We know what works and what doesn’t work. And we’re not willing to compromise on people’s rights when there is no evidence that doing so is going to accomplish the purpose,” Keene said.

The NRA, instead, is pushing for measures that would keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, until a person gets better. “If they are cured, there ought to be a way out of it,” Keene said.

I personally don’t see how they could possibly begin confiscating these guns from the American people. Firstly the liberal politicians still wish to hold office and confiscating weapons would surely put and end to their congressional or senate seat. Lastly the government would have to reimburse you for your property even if they gave you 50-60% of it’s value and that would go on forever in the courts.

Buy up high capacity magazines because they would be banned & taxed before the gun, I beleive. They could also be sold with less complications & restrictions.

Gotta go lift.

I’m just hoping that guns are banned and our taxes quadruple. At least then Obama’s work will be complete and he can go away.