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Obama Still an Amateur

[quote]tedro wrote:

Wait,…what? You can’t find any of these? Well in that case, why don’t you just give me something to document where he is from? How about one of his mother’s marriage licenses, or the Soetoro adoption papers?[/quote]
As you mention, no one can turn up marriage licenses for either of his mother’s claimed marriages, and also neither her birth certificate nor the birth certificates of her parents or even her grandparents can be found. Or a marriage certificate for her parents.

Additionally, while Obama tells of his grandfather’s military service, no records of that have been found either.

There is just nothing.

The Dunhams, including Obama himself, simply are not normally-documented persons or anything like it.

I appreciate that Obama can do nothing about his mother and grandparents lacking normal documentation such as birth certificates, but it is within his power to provide normal documentation for himself if such exists. Instead however he has gone to great lengths to block that, whether in the form of birth, kindergarten, college, or passport records.

It is an interesting thing how so much of the public can be programmed that the reflexive response of most or at least very many is to criticize any person wanting answers to why Obama has done this, rather than to criticize Obama for hiding these things let alone to demand that he release a normal degree of documentation.

[quote]tedro wrote:

[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:

[quote]robmartinez09 wrote:

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
He had his college records sealed anyway, so there is no knowing whether he failed Lunch in college or not.[/quote]

Please tell me this is not true…Jesus Obama is scary as shit…The whole limiting banks thing and the way he keeps fucking with Wall Street.

I cant wait until Wall Street bends him over and gives it to him in the as. Sorry I digress![/quote]

No Rob, Obama did not fail lunch ._.

and his harvard records are not sealed away.[/quote]

Uhh…yes they are. Along with his Columbia records.

While we are on the subject, how exactly did he get into Harvard, seeing as we know he did not graduate Columbia with honors and he also refuses to release his LSAT schools? Also, where are all of his articles from his time as editor of the Harvard Law Review? I sure would think one as distinguished as Obama would have wrote more than one article while at Harvard.

If you can’t find any of these, could you at least point me in the direction of his Illinois state senate records? How about an article or two from when he was a professor in Chicago?

Wait,…what? You can’t find any of these? Well in that case, why don’t you just give me something to document where he is from? How about one of his mother’s marriage licenses, or the Soetoro adoption papers? Maybe a passport? How about something as innocent as the hospital’s record of his birth, or God forbid a birth certificate?

Is any of this beginning to sound at all fishy to any one else?[/quote]

Brother, i’ve been feeling like this since he first appeared on the scene and i realised they are running his campaign and hiding the “Hussein” part of his name. For whatever reason that triggered total distrust of his administration of smoke and mirrors.

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Perhaps Standard Donkey could also explain to us the mystery of Obama’s collection of differing Social Security numbers.

With regard to Illinois addresses at which Obama is known to have lived, two different Barack Obama SSN’s appear: 364-03-xxxx and 042-68-xxxx.

With regard to when he was at Occidental College, SSN 537-36-xxxx was used by the only Barack Obama with an address near the school.

As for when he was at Columbia, the nearest address that has been found for a Barack Obama at that time is in Jackson, NJ with this Barack Obama using a SSN of 485-40-xxxx.

While at Harvard, Obama used the 042 number, and also used it when moving to his DC apartment. However, later when using his Senate office as an address, he used a SSN of 282-80-xxxx.

The man has more Social Security numbers than a truckfull of illegal aliens!

While we’re at it, let’s decode the SSN’s Obama has used, or when he was attending each school were used by the only person named Barack Obama found to have been living nearby at the time:

042-68-xxxx: Issued in Connecticut, 1976-1977.
364-03-xxxx: Issued in Michigan, 1950 or earlier.
537-36-xxxx: State of Washington, 1955-1956.
485-40-xxxx: Iowa, 1954.
282-80-xxxx: Ohio, 1983.

The above is not normal. Neither is it normal to seal the original birth certificate, kindergarten records, college records, and passport records. Why?

And in what kind of Bizarro world is it the strange thing, supposedly, to ask what is behind things such as these, rather than the strange thing being that Obama has had all these records sealed and has been so, shall we say, profligate in his use of Social Security numbers that furthermore do not appear to be legitimately his?

NONE of these SSN’s would seem a legitimate original SSN issued to Barack Hussein Obama, born 1961. Three were issued before he was born; as for the one issued in 1976 or 1977 there is no evidence that he was in Connecticut at that time; and as for the one issued in 1983, he may indeed have applied for that one (I haven’t checked as to whether he may have had an Ohio address then) but it seems unlikely that that could have been the first application for a SSN for him. And in any case, he hasn’t returned to using that number again.[/quote]

I said he is manufactured and not to be trusted when he was campaigning. Unfortunately my head was ripped off. Look now. HE looks more and more like a manufactured and groomed personality. So who’s doing the grooming?

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:

[quote]tedro wrote:

Wait,…what? You can’t find any of these? Well in that case, why don’t you just give me something to document where he is from? How about one of his mother’s marriage licenses, or the Soetoro adoption papers?[/quote]
As you mention, no one can turn up marriage licenses for either of his mother’s claimed marriages, and also neither her birth certificate nor the birth certificates of her parents or even her grandparents can be found. Or a marriage certificate for her parents.

Additionally, while Obama tells of his grandfather’s military service, no records of that have been found either.

There is just nothing.

The Dunhams, including Obama himself, simply are not normally-documented persons or anything like it.

I appreciate that Obama can do nothing about his mother and grandparents lacking normal documentation such as birth certificates, but it is within his power to provide normal documentation for himself if such exists. Instead however he has gone to great lengths to block that, whether in the form of birth, kindergarten, college, or passport records.

It is an interesting thing how so much of the public can be programmed that the reflexive response of most or at least very many is to criticize any person wanting answers to why Obama has done this, rather than to criticize Obama for hiding these things let alone to demand that he release a normal degree of documentation.[/quote]

Yes, one can only wonder why the press never did their job when he was running for President. Oh wait, that’s right they don’t care about that stuff Obama is a far left wing loon and their hero so none of the other stuff really matters.

[quote]Gregus wrote:

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Perhaps Standard Donkey could also explain to us the mystery of Obama’s collection of differing Social Security numbers.

With regard to Illinois addresses at which Obama is known to have lived, two different Barack Obama SSN’s appear: 364-03-xxxx and 042-68-xxxx.

With regard to when he was at Occidental College, SSN 537-36-xxxx was used by the only Barack Obama with an address near the school.

As for when he was at Columbia, the nearest address that has been found for a Barack Obama at that time is in Jackson, NJ with this Barack Obama using a SSN of 485-40-xxxx.

While at Harvard, Obama used the 042 number, and also used it when moving to his DC apartment. However, later when using his Senate office as an address, he used a SSN of 282-80-xxxx.

The man has more Social Security numbers than a truckfull of illegal aliens!

While we’re at it, let’s decode the SSN’s Obama has used, or when he was attending each school were used by the only person named Barack Obama found to have been living nearby at the time:

042-68-xxxx: Issued in Connecticut, 1976-1977.
364-03-xxxx: Issued in Michigan, 1950 or earlier.
537-36-xxxx: State of Washington, 1955-1956.
485-40-xxxx: Iowa, 1954.
282-80-xxxx: Ohio, 1983.

The above is not normal. Neither is it normal to seal the original birth certificate, kindergarten records, college records, and passport records. Why?

And in what kind of Bizarro world is it the strange thing, supposedly, to ask what is behind things such as these, rather than the strange thing being that Obama has had all these records sealed and has been so, shall we say, profligate in his use of Social Security numbers that furthermore do not appear to be legitimately his?

NONE of these SSN’s would seem a legitimate original SSN issued to Barack Hussein Obama, born 1961. Three were issued before he was born; as for the one issued in 1976 or 1977 there is no evidence that he was in Connecticut at that time; and as for the one issued in 1983, he may indeed have applied for that one (I haven’t checked as to whether he may have had an Ohio address then) but it seems unlikely that that could have been the first application for a SSN for him. And in any case, he hasn’t returned to using that number again.[/quote]

I said he is manufactured and not to be trusted when he was campaigning. Unfortunately my head was ripped off. Look now. HE looks more and more like a manufactured and groomed personality. So who’s doing the grooming?[/quote]

I think that’s a very interesting subject. At this point in the Bush administration we were hearing all about Karl Rove. “Rove is the man behind Bush”. “Bush cannot think for himself.”
Bla bla bla bla… an endless stream of attacks accusing Bush of having powerful handlers that really run the country. But, for some strange reason not a word about the people behind Obama. Nothing. I’d be willing to bet that if they were exposed it would send a chill up the spine of every good American. So, you can be sure that the press will do its level best to HIDE THE FACTS.

Think he will bring up the $1.3 Trillion debt accumulated this year alone, in tomorrow’s State of the Union Address ?

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Think he will bring up the $1.3 Trillion debt accumulated this year alone, in tomorrow’s State of the Union Address ?[/quote]

I was surprised to see this in the headlines this morning:

Mentions that he is going to propose a freeze on government spending for the remainder of his first term, exempting “national security” spending. We’ll see.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/25/AR2010012503549_pf.html

Yeah, but:

"The spending freeze would affect only about one-eighth of the nation’s $3.5 trillion budget, the bulk of which is devoted to entitlement programs such as Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, which are responsible for much of the future increase in spending. It would not restrain funding for the $787 billion economic stimulus package Obama pushed through Congress early last year, nor would it apply to a new bill aimed at creating jobs, which Democrats have identified as their top priority in the run-up to November’s congressional elections.

"The House has approved a $156 billion package intended to lower the nation’s 10 percent unemployment rate, while the Senate is drafting an $80 billion package that includes tax cuts for businesses that hire new employees as well as aid for cash-strapped state governments and the unemployed.

“It is also unlikely to affect the approximately $900 billion health-care bill, which has been on life-support since the Massachusetts vote. In an interview with ABC News on Monday, Obama vowed to press ahead with health care and other first-year agenda items, even it means jeopardizing his reelection chances in 2012.”

Obama’s inspiration for this was his remembering the brilliant conversation he had with his wife back in '98:

“Michelle honey, I know how we’re going to deal with our massive personal debt that’s growing leaps and bounds as we spend much more than we earn. I’m putting a freeze on our spending at Starbucks. We won’t spend a penny more at Starbucks for the next 3 years than we’re spending right now.”

“Oh, Barack, you are just so intelligent!!!”

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Gregus wrote:

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Perhaps Standard Donkey could also explain to us the mystery of Obama’s collection of differing Social Security numbers.

With regard to Illinois addresses at which Obama is known to have lived, two different Barack Obama SSN’s appear: 364-03-xxxx and 042-68-xxxx.

With regard to when he was at Occidental College, SSN 537-36-xxxx was used by the only Barack Obama with an address near the school.

As for when he was at Columbia, the nearest address that has been found for a Barack Obama at that time is in Jackson, NJ with this Barack Obama using a SSN of 485-40-xxxx.

While at Harvard, Obama used the 042 number, and also used it when moving to his DC apartment. However, later when using his Senate office as an address, he used a SSN of 282-80-xxxx.

The man has more Social Security numbers than a truckfull of illegal aliens!

While we’re at it, let’s decode the SSN’s Obama has used, or when he was attending each school were used by the only person named Barack Obama found to have been living nearby at the time:

042-68-xxxx: Issued in Connecticut, 1976-1977.
364-03-xxxx: Issued in Michigan, 1950 or earlier.
537-36-xxxx: State of Washington, 1955-1956.
485-40-xxxx: Iowa, 1954.
282-80-xxxx: Ohio, 1983.

The above is not normal. Neither is it normal to seal the original birth certificate, kindergarten records, college records, and passport records. Why?

And in what kind of Bizarro world is it the strange thing, supposedly, to ask what is behind things such as these, rather than the strange thing being that Obama has had all these records sealed and has been so, shall we say, profligate in his use of Social Security numbers that furthermore do not appear to be legitimately his?

NONE of these SSN’s would seem a legitimate original SSN issued to Barack Hussein Obama, born 1961. Three were issued before he was born; as for the one issued in 1976 or 1977 there is no evidence that he was in Connecticut at that time; and as for the one issued in 1983, he may indeed have applied for that one (I haven’t checked as to whether he may have had an Ohio address then) but it seems unlikely that that could have been the first application for a SSN for him. And in any case, he hasn’t returned to using that number again.[/quote]

I said he is manufactured and not to be trusted when he was campaigning. Unfortunately my head was ripped off. Look now. HE looks more and more like a manufactured and groomed personality. So who’s doing the grooming?[/quote]

I think that’s a very interesting subject. At this point in the Bush administration we were hearing all about Karl Rove. “Rove is the man behind Bush”. “Bush cannot think for himself.”
Bla bla bla bla… an endless stream of attacks accusing Bush of having powerful handlers that really run the country. But, for some strange reason not a word about the people behind Obama. Nothing. I’d be willing to bet that if they were exposed it would send a chill up the spine of every good American. So, you can be sure that the press will do its level best to HIDE THE FACTS. [/quote]

In cases like this they will always play the race card for trying to take him down.

I am hopeful that once it is understood that not enough cuts were made there will be other cuts that follow.

Wishful thinking?

The point is I was surprised that this was even considered in the first place. After all, everyone knows “government spending is what will fix the economy.” :confused:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I am hopeful that once it is understood that not enough cuts were made there will be other cuts that follow.

Wishful thinking?

The point is I was surprised that this was even considered in the first place. After all, everyone knows “government spending is what will fix the economy.” :/[/quote]
I’ve only read a few articles on this, but my sense is that this is nothing more than political posturing. A meaningless action of little consequence that will provide a talking point most won’t question.

“I capped spending”

This means nothing unless he plans to cap all gov’t spending. If this is a case he will certianly get a christmas card from my family this year. If not, there is not sufficient data in the statement to provide even a spec of value. Just a hunch, but I believe this is nothing more than planned campaign fodder.

See 4 posts above your post for the actuality on this “freeze.”

It’s a meaningless populist pittance that is only happening because of Brown’s election.

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
See 4 posts above your post for the actuality on this “freeze.”[/quote]
Right. My contention is that this is only being done so they can say the capped spending. Some may argue that it’s as step in the right direction, but this is not their intent.

They know it’s meaningless. They just want to say they capped something. They’ll say GWB never capped spending. Many will not ever question this assertion when it’s made. Many a media personality will forget it was cap only on discretionary spending that didn’t amount to shit.

What ought to be done, of course, is revoking the remaining part of the “stimulus.”

That actually would save a very, very substantial amount, compared to keeping it in the budget.

That would require that he consider having the largest slice of humble pie beyond human comprehension.

Side question. Being Canadian all I hear about Obama is he’s doing nothing since being in house. Would everyone who voted for him take their votes back? Or was/is he better than his opposition at the time?

Very few people were ever enthusiastic about McCain. So much not, that I think few waste their time thinking “If only McCain…” Rather the thought would be, If only there had been a good candidate.

However, McCain would have been extremely unlikely to spend so insanely on the “stimulus,” would not have pushed a “buy a $15K/year health plan or pay a $25K fine or go to prison” health bill, would not have pushed for “cap and trade,” etc. He probably would have spent the same on bank bailouts however.

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
What ought to be done, of course, is revoking the remaining part of the “stimulus.”

That actually would save a very, very substantial amount, compared to keeping it in the budget.[/quote]

But his buddies didn’t get the money yet.