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Obama Speech to the UN


#1

Finally got to listen last night to the one's speech at the UN. Frightening if you are an American or an ally of the US. I'd say Israel hits Iran by the end of the year. As for the economy, forget it. It will not recover fully until the Dems lose the house and Obama is ousted after 1 term.

Interesting commentary:


#2

[quote]hedo wrote:
Finally got to listen last night to the one’s speech at the UN. Frightening if you are an American or an ally of the US. I’d say Israel hits Iran by the end of the year. As for the economy, forget it. It will not recover fully until the Dems lose the house and Obama is ousted after 1 term.

Interesting commentary:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/09/024579.php[/quote]

The man is an absolute kook. Some of the stuff he comes up with sounds like what a hippie from the 1960’s might think up.

People actually chose Obama over McCain? How insane can people be? I don’t like McCain but…sweet Jay-sus…


#3

Yep Isreal is right at this moment realising it ain’t getting jack shit from the US

I thought it would launch before Bush left office, but it didn’t it, from what i can see the trigger will be sometime in the New Year as it passes the half way mark towards getting one OR if Russia agrees to supply it with Advanced Anti Air System.

Though when the attack happens, there will be untold chaos in the Middle East, i doubt the Sunni led countries will mind to much, they are just as antsy over it, but the Shitee will go stark crazy.

China/ Russia keep on blocking sanction and improved measures, THEY will be responsible for pushing Isreal to the brink. Honestly if your neighbor vowed to wipe you out, then started building something towards that means… do you REALLY need to think about it !


#4

The American people deserve him. He is a product of this society. America will be communist. I feel there is no stopping it, maybe slowing it down, but not stopping. He seems to really not like America. There is no way he sat in his church for 20 years and came away with love for his country and white people.


#5

“…Yep Isreal is right at this moment realising it ain’t getting jack shit from the US…”

What?

Billions of Dollars…

Unprecedented Military Logistical Support…

The pre-sighting and targeting of every major military and logistical site in all countries hostile to Isreal (and by extension, the U.S.)

Billions of Dollars…

Readiness of U.S. forces to respond “in kind” if Isreal is attacked, especially with the full force of the Mediterrannean/Indian Ocean Battle Groups/Fleets…

“Bunker Busters”, drones and access to the latest technology…

Billions of Dollars…

(I’m sure I’m missing something, right?)

Mufasa


#6

[quote]Gregus wrote:
The American people deserve him. He is a product of this society. America will be communist. I feel there is no stopping it, maybe slowing it down, but not stopping. He seems to really not like America. There is no way he sat in his church for 20 years and came away with love for his country and white people. [/quote]

I give up…I really do…

Mufasa


#7

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
“…Yep Isreal is right at this moment realising it ain’t getting jack shit from the US…”

What?

Billions of Dollars…

Unprecedented Military Logistical Support…

The pre-sighting and targeting of every major military and logistical site in all countries hostile to Isreal (and by extension, the U.S.)

Billions of Dollars…

Readiness of U.S. forces to respond “in kind” if Isreal is attacked, especially with the full force of the Mediterrannean/Indian Ocean Battle Groups/Fleets…

“Bunker Busters”, drones and access to the latest technology…

Billions of Dollars…

(I’m sure I’m missing something, right?)

Mufasa

[/quote]

I meant it in regard to helping taking our the Iranian capability to make a Nuke.

Not the fiscal/military support.

:slight_smile:

Probably be the same what they did to Syria, tell the US after they do it. US will then claim ignorance.


#8

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

Readiness of U.S. forces to respond “in kind” if Isreal is attacked, especially with the full force of the Mediterrannean/Indian Ocean Battle Groups/Fleets…

Mufasa

[/quote]

Yes but prevention in this case, is FAR better. If Canada for decades claimed it will eliminate the US from the map, then started making a weapon that could achieve that task… will just be WHO does the attack.

US has better planes/pilots but will Obama sign off on it… probably not.


#9

[quote]Gregus wrote:
The American people deserve him. He is a product of this society. America will be communist. I feel there is no stopping it, maybe slowing it down, but not stopping. He seems to really not like America. There is no way he sat in his church for 20 years and came away with love for his country and white people. [/quote]

Maybe America “deserves” this because our society focuses on who is right instead of what is right.

I hope we learn our lesson.


#10

[quote]300andabove wrote:
Mufasa wrote:

Readiness of U.S. forces to respond “in kind” if Isreal is attacked, especially with the full force of the Mediterrannean/Indian Ocean Battle Groups/Fleets…

Mufasa

Yes but prevention in this case, is FAR better. If Canada for decades claimed it will eliminate the US from the map, then started making a weapon that could achieve that task… will just be WHO does the attack.

US has better planes/pilots but will Obama sign off on it… probably not.[/quote]

Shhhhh… you’re not supposed to be telling them about our plans.

Don’t worry guys, Canada isn’t making any… ahem… weapons to… ah… wipe the US off the map. That’s just silly, lol. looks around nervously


#11

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Gregus wrote:
The American people deserve him. He is a product of this society. America will be communist. I feel there is no stopping it, maybe slowing it down, but not stopping. He seems to really not like America. There is no way he sat in his church for 20 years and came away with love for his country and white people.

Maybe America “deserves” this because our society focuses on who is right instead of what is right.

I hope we learn our lesson.
[/quote]

As long as you learn it you can pass it along to others.

We is too much to hope for.


#12

[quote]300andabove wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
“…Yep Isreal is right at this moment realising it ain’t getting jack shit from the US…”

What?

Billions of Dollars…

Unprecedented Military Logistical Support…

The pre-sighting and targeting of every major military and logistical site in all countries hostile to Isreal (and by extension, the U.S.)

Billions of Dollars…

Readiness of U.S. forces to respond “in kind” if Isreal is attacked, especially with the full force of the Mediterrannean/Indian Ocean Battle Groups/Fleets…

“Bunker Busters”, drones and access to the latest technology…

Billions of Dollars…

(I’m sure I’m missing something, right?)

Mufasa

I meant it in regard to helping taking our the Iranian capability to make a Nuke.

Not the fiscal/military support.

:slight_smile:

Probably be the same what they did to Syria, tell the US after they do it. US will then claim ignorance.[/quote]

Yes…we have a “See no Evil/Don’t Ask” policy when it comes to Isreal.

We don’t “tell” Isreal what to do and when to not do it.

We were probably as close to a major conflict as we’ve ever been when Saddam was sending SCUDS into Tel Aviv, attempting to garner Arab/Muslim support. I would love to know what was said and done to keep Isreal from mounting a major counter-attack.

Perhaps we’ll learn with time.

Mufasa


#13

[quote]300andabove wrote:
Mufasa wrote:

Readiness of U.S. forces to respond “in kind” if Isreal is attacked, especially with the full force of the Mediterrannean/Indian Ocean Battle Groups/Fleets…

Mufasa

Yes but prevention in this case, is FAR better. If Canada for decades claimed it will eliminate the US from the map, then started making a weapon that could achieve that task… will just be WHO does the attack.

US has better planes/pilots but will Obama sign off on it… probably not.[/quote]

Okay…I KNOW this was a serious post…but my humorous side JUST WOULDN’T LET IT GO!!!

CANADA: "…EH…U.S.? You buncha’s hosers!!! We gotcha’ BOMB right here, eh? Goes BIG BOOM!

U.S: “We have all your major facilities pre-sighted, and will respond in-kind…”

CANADA: " Oh!..Wanna’ beer instead, eh?" (Hosers!!!)

(Sorry…couldn’t help it! Just one of those days!)

Mufasa


#14

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Gregus wrote:
The American people deserve him. He is a product of this society. America will be communist. I feel there is no stopping it, maybe slowing it down, but not stopping. He seems to really not like America. There is no way he sat in his church for 20 years and came away with love for his country and white people.

I give up…I really do…

Mufasa[/quote]

Yeah, but he’s right about this though.


#15

This about sums it up.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2009/09/all_about_obama.html

All About Obama

Iâ??ve refrained from commenting on President Obamaâ??s address to the United Nations General Assembly because the speech made me angry. And most postings – or letters, or e-mails – written while angry are better discarded or deleted.

But this address grows more disturbing on further reading. Some major presidential speeches deserve to be remembered, quoted and celebrated. Some deserve to be forgotten. A few deserve to be remembered and criticized, because they dishonor the history of presidential rhetoric.

Obamaâ??s rhetorical method in international contexts – given supreme expression at the United Nations this week – is a moral dialectic. The thesis: pre-Obama America is a nation of many flaws and failures. The antithesis: The world responds with understandable but misguided prejudice. The synthesis: Me. Me, at all costs; me, in spite of all terrors; me, however long and hard the road may be. How great a world we all should see, if only all were more likeâ?¦me.

On several occasions, Obama attacked American conduct in simplistic caricatures a European diplomat might employ or applaud. He accused America of acing â??unilaterally, without regard for the interests of othersâ?? – a slander against every American ally who has made sacrifices in Iraq and Afghanistan. He argued that, â??America has too often been selective in its promotion of democracyâ?? – which is hardly a challenge for the Obama administration, which has yet to make a priority of promoting democracy or human rights anywhere in the world.

The world, of course, has its problems, too. It has accepted â??misperceptions and misinformation.â?? It can be guilty of a â??reflexive anti-Americanism.â?? â??Those who used to chastise America for acting alone in the world cannot now stand by and wait for America to solve the worldâ??s problems alone.â?? Translation: I know you adore me because I am better than Americaâ??s flawed past. But donâ??t just stand there loving me, do something.

I can recall no other major American speech in which the narcissism of a leader has been quite so pronounced. It might be compared to Gen. Douglas MacArthurâ??s â??I shall returnâ?? – which made it sound like MacArthur intended to reconquer the Philippines single-handedly. But MacArthur, at least, imagined himself as embodying his country, not transcending it. He did not assert that while the Japanese invasion was certainly excessive, America had been guilty of provocations of its own – and now, in the MacArthur era, things would be finally different.

Twice in his United Nations speech, Obama dares to quote Franklin Roosevelt. I have read quite a bit of Rooseveltâ??s rhetoric. It is impossible to imagine him, under any circumstances, unfairly criticizing his own country in an international forum in order to make himself look better in comparison. He would have considered such a rhetorical strategy shameful – as indeed it is.

At the United Nations, Obama set out to denigrate American goodness so he can become our rescuer. The speech had nothing to do with the confident style of Democratic rhetoric found in Roosevelt, Truman and Kennedy. It insulted that tradition. And no one is likely ever to quote the speech – except to deride it.


#16

[quote]hedo wrote:
This about sums it up.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2009/09/all_about_obama.html

All About Obama

I̢??ve refrained from commenting on President Obama̢??s address to the United Nations General Assembly because the speech made me angry. And most postings Рor letters, or e-mails Рwritten while angry are better discarded or deleted.

But this address grows more disturbing on further reading. Some major presidential speeches deserve to be remembered, quoted and celebrated. Some deserve to be forgotten. A few deserve to be remembered and criticized, because they dishonor the history of presidential rhetoric.

Obamaâ??s rhetorical method in international contexts – given supreme expression at the United Nations this week – is a moral dialectic. The thesis: pre-Obama America is a nation of many flaws and failures. The antithesis: The world responds with understandable but misguided prejudice. The synthesis: Me. Me, at all costs; me, in spite of all terrors; me, however long and hard the road may be. How great a world we all should see, if only all were more likeâ?¦me.

On several occasions, Obama attacked American conduct in simplistic caricatures a European diplomat might employ or applaud. He accused America of acing ̢??unilaterally, without regard for the interests of others̢?? Рa slander against every American ally who has made sacrifices in Iraq and Afghanistan. He argued that, ̢??America has too often been selective in its promotion of democracy̢?? Рwhich is hardly a challenge for the Obama administration, which has yet to make a priority of promoting democracy or human rights anywhere in the world.

The world, of course, has its problems, too. It has accepted â??misperceptions and misinformation.â?? It can be guilty of a â??reflexive anti-Americanism.â?? â??Those who used to chastise America for acting alone in the world cannot now stand by and wait for America to solve the worldâ??s problems alone.â?? Translation: I know you adore me because I am better than Americaâ??s flawed past. But donâ??t just stand there loving me, do something.

I can recall no other major American speech in which the narcissism of a leader has been quite so pronounced. It might be compared to Gen. Douglas MacArthur̢??s ̢??I shall return̢?? Рwhich made it sound like MacArthur intended to reconquer the Philippines single-handedly. But MacArthur, at least, imagined himself as embodying his country, not transcending it. He did not assert that while the Japanese invasion was certainly excessive, America had been guilty of provocations of its own Рand now, in the MacArthur era, things would be finally different.

Twice in his United Nations speech, Obama dares to quote Franklin Roosevelt. I have read quite a bit of Roosevelt̢??s rhetoric. It is impossible to imagine him, under any circumstances, unfairly criticizing his own country in an international forum in order to make himself look better in comparison. He would have considered such a rhetorical strategy shameful Рas indeed it is.

At the United Nations, Obama set out to denigrate American goodness so he can become our rescuer. The speech had nothing to do with the confident style of Democratic rhetoric found in Roosevelt, Truman and Kennedy. It insulted that tradition. And no one is likely ever to quote the speech – except to deride it. [/quote]

Did you watch the half hour speech ? I did and the person that wrote this must have watched a different speech


#17

Yes I did watch it. One of his worst.


#18

[quote]hedo wrote:
Yes I did watch it. One of his worst.[/quote]

I am curious are you objective or are you an Obama hater?


#19

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
hedo wrote:
Yes I did watch it. One of his worst.

I am curious are you objective or are you an Obama hater?

[/quote]

I saw every word and it was a deluded self serving indictment of the US until he got into office to transform it into a finally redeemable nation.


#20

[quote]300andabove wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
“…Yep Isreal is right at this moment realising it ain’t getting jack shit from the US…”

What?

Billions of Dollars…

Unprecedented Military Logistical Support…

The pre-sighting and targeting of every major military and logistical site in all countries hostile to Isreal (and by extension, the U.S.)

Billions of Dollars…

Readiness of U.S. forces to respond “in kind” if Isreal is attacked, especially with the full force of the Mediterrannean/Indian Ocean Battle Groups/Fleets…

“Bunker Busters”, drones and access to the latest technology…

Billions of Dollars…

(I’m sure I’m missing something, right?)

Mufasa

I meant it in regard to helping taking our the Iranian capability to make a Nuke.

Not the fiscal/military support.

:slight_smile:

Probably be the same what they did to Syria, tell the US after they do it. US will then claim ignorance.[/quote]

I’ve read some people think Iran having nukes would actually stabilize the region. Iran wouldn’t have to fear an Israeli nuclear attack as much and the Ayatollah has no interest in nuclear war anyway.

What do you think?