[quote]toejam wrote:
even the liberal medias starting to catch on to this fool.[/quote]
That’s simply not true. Logically, the EVIL LIBERAL MEDIA would want him to be MORE liberal- none of us are calling him the second coming of Stalin.
Which means he’s more in the center than you people initially thought.
So… you’re wrong too.
Take a motherfuckin logic class you wingnut shits.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Take a motherfuckin logic class you wingnut shits.[/quote]
I thought this was ironic. Way to live up to the Jersey dope stereotype.
[quote]dhickey wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Take a motherfuckin logic class you wingnut shits.
I thought this was ironic. Way to live up to the Jersey dope stereotype.[/quote]
Please. I’ve said before that you are the worst of the worst on this board, the lunatic fringe of the “libertarians.” An insult from you is what I’m aiming for… let’s me know that I’ve kept my sanity.
And I didn’t even have to bring up Minnesota’s stupid fucking fargo accent or the state’s lack of of a city with more than 35 people. Kiss my ass.
Irish he is not doing his job. What is he doing right now is what all the sheep want him to do and that is make everyone need the government so much that at the end of the roller coaster no will ever question what happened.
The job of the government is not to give the people jobs, money, or even health care. The government is only there to make and up hold laws and keep the people of the country safe. When the Government gets involved with big Business it is no longer a capitalist it now becomes socialist which will bring out all the Stalin and Hitler names along with it.
And he really did not have much to do with the pirate attack the navy ships have been there since George was in office and they have orders not to do anything unless it looks like a life will be taken. The seals did just that when there were trying to get them to surrender the captain made a move to escape and had guns pointed at him so there was only one thing to do and it was to kill them all.
[quote]Slayers wrote:
Irish he is not doing his job. What is he doing right now is what all the sheep want him to do and that is make everyone need the government so much that at the end of the roller coaster no will ever question what happened.
The job of the government is not to give the people jobs, money, or even health care. The government is only there to make and up hold laws and keep the people of the country safe. When the Government gets involved with big Business it is no longer a capitalist it now becomes socialist which will bring out all the Stalin and Hitler names along with it.
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Absolutely not true. Companies begged for a bailout. They received it, with strings attached.
Is this pure capitalism? No. But we have never been a purely capitalist country- it’s always been a mix of capitalism coupled with government intervention. Which works. If you want to call it socialism, if that makes you GOPers get hard ons and helps you prove your point, fine. But it’s simply not true. There are many levels of integration between the two systems… you would be hard pressed to find a country that is purely capitalist.
Governments must make laws concerning big business. When they are left to their own devices, the only ones who benefit are the shareholders. Wall Street fucked us badly enough in the past year that you should all understand that by now.
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And he really did not have much to do with the pirate attack the navy ships have been there since George was in office and they have orders not to do anything unless it looks like a life will be taken. The seals did just that when there were trying to get them to surrender the captain made a move to escape and had guns pointed at him so there was only one thing to do and it was to kill them all. [/quote]
Use a fuckin comma once in a while. I have no idea what you’re getting at.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Absolutely not true. Companies begged for a bailout. They received it, with strings attached.
Is this pure capitalism? No. But we have never been a purely capitalist country- it’s always been a mix of capitalism coupled with government intervention. Which works. If you want to call it socialism, if that makes you GOPers get hard ons and helps you prove your point, fine. But it’s simply not true. There are many levels of integration between the two systems… you would be hard pressed to find a country that is purely capitalist.
.[/quote]The only companies that should have been bailout were the companies that were promised them years ago.
Banks were the killer of everything that happened now but it was really set up a long time ago by our great government. They went to the banks and told them they had to give out loans to people that could not afford them and if something were to happen the Government would pay for the losses.
Now what happened in the long run was loans were given out from banks and then the bank could not afford to run anymore so another bank would come along and buy them and the bad loans up. They were told that it was insured by the government so it was ok to take that bad debt.
But way to many people were in for more money then they would ever see in a life time and other problems in their lifes made them stop paying for one bill after another till they nothing left to do but foreclose the house.
So you are right for years and years the Government has been pushing that cork harder and harder into the business world and when it was shaking up nothing was going to hold that cork in.
So bank hand outs-- YES they set it up so when it came time to give all that money back they had to.
Auto hand outs-- Hell No
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
dhickey wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Take a motherfuckin logic class you wingnut shits.
I thought this was ironic. Way to live up to the Jersey dope stereotype.
Please. I’ve said before that you are the worst of the worst on this board, the lunatic fringe of the “libertarians.” An insult from you is what I’m aiming for… let’s me know that I’ve kept my sanity.
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I guess believing in the founding principals of this country is lunitic fringe now?
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And I didn’t even have to bring up Minnesota’s stupid fucking fargo accent or the state’s lack of of a city with more than 35 people. Kiss my ass.[/quote]
Fargo is in North Dakota
Newark - 280k
Minneapolis - 377K
St. Paul - 277k
Thanks for making my point yet again.
[quote]Slayers wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Absolutely not true. Companies begged for a bailout. They received it, with strings attached.
Is this pure capitalism? No. But we have never been a purely capitalist country- it’s always been a mix of capitalism coupled with government intervention. Which works. If you want to call it socialism, if that makes you GOPers get hard ons and helps you prove your point, fine. But it’s simply not true. There are many levels of integration between the two systems… you would be hard pressed to find a country that is purely capitalist.
.The only companies that should have been bailout were the companies that were promised them years ago.
Banks were the killer of everything that happened now but it was really set up a long time ago by our great government. They went to the banks and told them they had to give out loans to people that could not afford them and if something were to happen the Government would pay for the losses.
Now what happened in the long run was loans were given out from banks and then the bank could not afford to run anymore so another bank would come along and buy them and the bad loans up. They were told that it was insured by the government so it was ok to take that bad debt.
But way to many people were in for more money then they would ever see in a life time and other problems in their lifes made them stop paying for one bill after another till they nothing left to do but foreclose the house.
So you are right for years and years the Government has been pushing that cork harder and harder into the business world and when it was shaking up nothing was going to hold that cork in.
So bank hand outs-- YES they set it up so when it came time to give all that money back they had to.
Auto hand outs-- Hell No
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So you’re for selective socialism then?
Thanks for the history lesson. I know how it happened. And in your wonderful little explanation, you completely ignoring the unadulterated, incredible greed exhibited by those noble Wall Streeters.
Even George II, in a rare moment of shining clarity, said that the government should fix this problem before it got too ugly. But the government sat to the side and let capitalism run it’s course.
[quote]dhickey wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
dhickey wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Take a motherfuckin logic class you wingnut shits.
I thought this was ironic. Way to live up to the Jersey dope stereotype.
Please. I’ve said before that you are the worst of the worst on this board, the lunatic fringe of the “libertarians.” An insult from you is what I’m aiming for… let’s me know that I’ve kept my sanity.
I guess believing in the founding principals of this country is lunitic fringe now?
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The way you explain it? Yea.
I know where it is shitbag. But you’ve all got the same horrific accent.
And congrats about taking the time out of your life to look up statistics to prove to me that Minnesota does, in fact, have a city with more than 35 people. Good job.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
dhickey wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
dhickey wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Take a motherfuckin logic class you wingnut shits.
I thought this was ironic. Way to live up to the Jersey dope stereotype.
Please. I’ve said before that you are the worst of the worst on this board, the lunatic fringe of the “libertarians.” An insult from you is what I’m aiming for… let’s me know that I’ve kept my sanity.
I guess believing in the founding principals of this country is lunitic fringe now?
The way you explain it? Yea.
And I didn’t even have to bring up Minnesota’s stupid fucking fargo accent or the state’s lack of of a city with more than 35 people. Kiss my ass.
Fargo is in North Dakota
Newark - 280k
Minneapolis - 377K
St. Paul - 277k
Thanks for making my point yet again.
I know where it is shitbag. But you’ve all got the same horrific accent.
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Again, quite ironic.
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And congrats about taking the time out of your life to look up statistics to prove to me that Minnesota does, in fact, have a city with more than 35 people. Good job.[/quote]
30 seconds on wiki…it was my pleasure genius.
Always handy to have an occasional reminder why a given individual is on the Ignore list.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Always handy to have an occasional reminder why a given individual is on the Ignore list. [/quote]
Always nice to have an occasional reminder that there’s pussies out there that block what they don’t agree with.
Damn guys, keep the hate alive.
[quote]ironmaniac508 wrote:
I give him an F for getting a portugese water dog for his kids, imagine if he got a doberman. To get back to a serious note though some die hard liberals look at him like he is Jesus, people are following him blindly not matter what decisions he makes. However he is an extremely charismatic speaker and is very intelligent. [/quote]
It’s hilarious that people here believe “die hard liberals” are in love with Obama. You have no idea what die hard liberals actually look like.
Any time I need to see what a caring liberal looks like I just have to take one look at Irish.(by the way I have been meaning to ask where your born in Ireland or where you born here?)
But back on topic, The only thing he has done that I agree with is the pirate thing. Everything else he is failing miserably at.
He got rid of the Patriot act… Oh wait, he didn’t.
I thought it was funny that right after a news story was circulating about FDR’s policies causing the Great Depression to last 7 years longer then it should have, (Research originally out in 2004 - Newsroom | UCLA - but brought back into the limelight in February - Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian: How Government Prolonged the Depression - WSJ ) Obama comes out and tells everyone he is studying what FDR did so he can do the same thing. (Paraphrased.)
Miranda rights to terrorist? What a great idea.
Trying to pass Cap and Trade, causing energy prices to double right in the middle of a recession? Utter genius.
Trying to create a government health care system to cover the 40 million uninsured “Americans”? (30 million of which are illegal aliens, hence the quotes.) Taxing everyone’s current health insurance to pay for it, and then saying the government will be under the same rules as the insurance agencies so it will be fair. What a nice guy.
Our government is currently 11.376 Trillion in debt, (if you exclude the 40 trillion in Social Security debt,) and we expect it to have the ability to pay for our health care?
Socialism is very seductive, but it has never worked anywhere it has been tried.
It seems so nice having the government take over this problem, then that problem. But each time they are taking away a little piece of freedom, and with enough steps we will end up being slaves to the government.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
So you’re for selective socialism then?
Thanks for the history lesson. I know how it happened. And in your wonderful little explanation, you completely ignoring the unadulterated, incredible greed exhibited by those noble Wall Streeters.
Even George II, in a rare moment of shining clarity, said that the government should fix this problem before it got too ugly. But the government sat to the side and let capitalism run it’s course.
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I am against the government getting involved in business at any point. They never should have forced banks to give loans out.
The wallstreet companys all had purchesed some of the bad debit that was given to homes. If I was going to blame anyone for the problem with the housing other then our government it would be the builders and realestate agents that keep the prices of homes going higher and higher while the average person has made the same money for the last 10 years.
If you want my really really far Right outlook on Obama, I don’t think he should be in charge of the country. Shit with his experience I wouldn’t even let him run a McDonalds. Obama has less 5 years experience in politics and now is President.
In my outlook on politics I do not think they anyone should be able to Run this country and be in charge of the Military with out Military experience. And I don’t care if they cook or a rifleman. The person incharge of our Nuclear weapons should at least have a clue how the military works.
[quote]valiance. wrote:
ironmaniac508 wrote:
I give him an F for getting a portugese water dog for his kids, imagine if he got a doberman. To get back to a serious note though some die hard liberals look at him like he is Jesus, people are following him blindly not matter what decisions he makes. However he is an extremely charismatic speaker and is very intelligent.
It’s hilarious that people here believe “die hard liberals” are in love with Obama. You have no idea what die hard liberals actually look like.[/quote]
That people exist who are still further left than he is does not change the fact that even by contemporary American standards this guy is 200 miles off the California coast.
The labels aren’t what’s most important anyway. What matters is the socio political mindset of individual/private responsibility, liberty and very limited government that catapulted this nation over every other one on Earth in less than 2 centuries has been and is being sacrificed on the altar of the very ideology we spent 50 years fighting the cold war to defeat.
What has been a steady march to the left for several decades has now transformed into an olympic sprint with the legislative and executive branch in the hands of people who are mortal enemies of the way of life left us by giants who’s very writings warn us to beware of exactly what we are witnessing as I type this.
[quote]The Mage wrote:
<<< He got rid of the Patriot act… Oh wait, he didn’t.
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Har dee har har.
Write this down. He’ll either not touch it at all or fiddle with it enough to say he’s dealt with it while not actually changing anything significant and give it a new name. Mark my words. These people will never EVER give it up an we will really see what abuses look like.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
So you took a guy that you already hate, and know you disagree with on every major issue, and rated him shittily because he did exactly what you knew he would.
That’s… ah, great. If he’s pissing you off, that means he’s doing what he should be doing. If you thought he was doing a good job I’d be scared.
Thanks for reaffirming my faith Pat.[/quote]
That’s it? That is the best you can do? You can’t actually say “Well I think Cap and Trade is good because…”. This may sound harsh but quit being a damned sheep and think and take a look around. He is doing bad stuff.
For instance, you hated the ol’ Patriot Act and the wire tapping stuff from Bush, right? But it’s ok with you that not only did obama not get rid of it, but he expanded it’s scope? What about no child left behind? I assume you hated that, as did I, you know that obama signed that legislation in to law as is, right? Do you agree with that?
If the best you can do is say that if I say something, then you must believe the opposite, that’s pretty bad.