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Obama is a Moderate

http://www.theygaveusarepublic.com/diary/11304/no-negotiating-with-republican-terrorists

“Viewed through the prism of a radical right wing Republican Party that has never made its peace with the New Deal, nor with settled American law and practice over the past 50, 70, even 100 years, President Obama becomes some scary Euro-socialist intent on preserving a centuries-old status quo that conservatives despise.”

“In a more sane age, says Avlon, the fact that Obama embraced health care ideas proposed by the conservative Heritage Foundation and put in place by a Republican Governor would have been seen as triangulation and bi-partisanship. “But with President Obama, it is reflexively viewed as socialist instead of centrist,” says Avlon, who adds: “This says more about Obama’s overheated opponents than his presidency.””

http://voteview.com/blog/?p=317

“President Obama is the most moderate Democratic president since the end of World War II, while President George W. Bush was the most conservative president in the post-war era.”

you better be careful , some one may disagree with you :slight_smile:

[quote]blake2616 wrote:
http://www.theygaveusarepublic.com/diary/11304/no-negotiating-with-republican-terrorists

“Viewed through the prism of a radical right wing Republican Party that has never made its peace with the New Deal, nor with settled American law and practice over the past 50, 70, even 100 years, President Obama becomes some scary Euro-socialist intent on preserving a centuries-old status quo that conservatives despise.”

“In a more sane age, says Avlon, the fact that Obama embraced health care ideas proposed by the conservative Heritage Foundation and put in place by a Republican Governor would have been seen as triangulation and bi-partisanship. “But with President Obama, it is reflexively viewed as socialist instead of centrist,” says Avlon, who adds: “This says more about Obama’s overheated opponents than his presidency.””

http://voteview.com/blog/?p=317

“President Obama is the most moderate Democratic president since the end of World War II, while President George W. Bush was the most conservative president in the post-war era.”[/quote]

It’s pretty tense around here with the Presidential election just two days away. So, this is exactly what PWI needs a nice laugh.

Thanks junior!

I must be physic

No.

I knew that would happen also :slight_smile:

The title of that article is “No Negotiating With Republican Terrorists.” After seeing that title there is no reason to read any further.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]blake2616 wrote:
http://www.theygaveusarepublic.com/diary/11304/no-negotiating-with-republican-terrorists

“Viewed through the prism of a radical right wing Republican Party that has never made its peace with the New Deal, nor with settled American law and practice over the past 50, 70, even 100 years, President Obama becomes some scary Euro-socialist intent on preserving a centuries-old status quo that conservatives despise.”

“In a more sane age, says Avlon, the fact that Obama embraced health care ideas proposed by the conservative Heritage Foundation and put in place by a Republican Governor would have been seen as triangulation and bi-partisanship. “But with President Obama, it is reflexively viewed as socialist instead of centrist,” says Avlon, who adds: “This says more about Obama’s overheated opponents than his presidency.””

http://voteview.com/blog/?p=317

“President Obama is the most moderate Democratic president since the end of World War II, while President George W. Bush was the most conservative president in the post-war era.”[/quote]

It’s pretty tense around here with the Presidential election just two days away. So, this is exactly what PWI needs a nice laugh.

Thanks junior![/quote]

I’m glad someone thought it was entertaining. I find it best to view politically slanted rhetoric with morbid curiosity.

Moderate?

"* He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

  • He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

  • He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

  • He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

  • He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

  • He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

  • He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

  • He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.

  • He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

  • He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

  • He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

  • For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

  • For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

  • For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

  • For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences

  • For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:

  • For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

  • For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

  • He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

  • He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

  • He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

  • He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

  • He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers…"

Sound familiar?

Those were George’s abuses, if I am not mistaken.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

  • He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
    Sound familiar?[/quote]

Don’t you just hate it when Obama constrains our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear arms against us?

I’ll tell ya, that really grinds my gears.

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

  • He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
    Sound familiar?[/quote]

Don’t you just hate it when Obama constrains our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear arms against us?

I’ll tell ya, that really grinds my gears.[/quote]

22 out of 23 ain’t bad.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Moderate?

  • He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
    Sound familiar?[/quote]
    SM: how do these excerpts from the Declaration of Independence, particularly this one, relate to the claim that Obama is a Moderate?

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Those were George’s abuses, if I am not mistaken. [/quote]

You’re not mistaken. The majority also describe Obama’s abuses too. Tyranny is tyranny, whether in the 18th Century or the 21st.

[quote]undoredo wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Moderate?

  • He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
    Sound familiar?[/quote]
    SM: how do these excerpts from the Declaration of Independence, particularly this one, relate to the claim that Obama is a Moderate?[/quote]

With the exception of the above Obama is guilty of the same abuses. Abuses that show him to be an extremist and tyrant far removed from any kind of ‘moderate.’ He’s said if Congress doesn’t agree with him he’ll go it alone. He issues executive fiats, claims Congress is in recess when it’s not specifically to make appointments Congress doesn’t want. He is as divisive and partisan as any President in living memory. This list goes on and on. He’s committing the exact same abuses of power that King George III committed which led to the revolution.

[quote]stefan128 wrote:
The title of that article is “No Negotiating With Republican Terrorists.” After seeing that title there is no reason to read any further. [/quote]

haha

Moderate? No. Of course not.

Moderates do not outsource entire legislation to Nancy Pelosi for drafting and quarterbacking. Moderates would fear such a set-up, since Pelosi is no moderate (and to her credit, she doesn’t pretend to be).

Both the stimulus and Obamacare was handed over to Pelosi.

Actual moderates - moderate Democrats - begged Pelosi and Obama not to proceed the way they did. They were summarily rebuffed. Hell, even Rahm Emanuel begged the president not to proceed with Obamacare like he did.

Moderate? No. Of course not. Ask a moderate.