Obama Interferes in Israeli Elections

I was done when she said “The Obama Reign of Terror” was about over.

Who is this person?

What exactly has the President “forced” on Israel that would cause it to go against its best interest?

How exactly are a bunch of Political Hacks going to place Israel in jeopardy? Are Israel’s Politics and it’s Strong will to survive that fragile? (I think not).

She was right about one thing:

“…Oye…!”

Mufasa

[quote] Mufasa wrote:

How exactly are a bunch of Political Hacks going to place Israel in jeopardy? Are Israel’s Politics and it’s Strong will to survive that fragile? (I think not).

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This is pretty silly even for you mufasa. All countries have laws regarding campaign financing and foreign influence in domestic politics. They have these laws for a reason. It’s not a question of anything goes because their politics should be “strong enough”. Foreign countries should not be trying to throw the elections of another country. And that is exactly why the Obama administration is doing. My question above is open to you or anyone else:

What would you think if Bibi Netanyahu’s campaign staff and advisers fly to the US, bypassed US campaign laws and actively campaigned to throw a US election?

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote] Mufasa wrote:

How exactly are a bunch of Political Hacks going to place Israel in jeopardy? Are Israel’s Politics and it’s Strong will to survive that fragile? (I think not).

[/quote]

This is pretty silly even for you mufasa. All countries have laws regarding campaign financing and foreign influence in domestic politics. They have these laws for a reason. It’s not a question of anything goes because their politics should be “strong enough”. Foreign countries should not be trying to throw the elections of another country. And that is exactly why the Obama administration is doing. My question above is open to you or anyone else:

What would you think if Bibi Netanyahu’s campaign staff and advisers fly to the US, bypassed US campaign laws and actively campaigned to throw a US election?[/quote]

It fits great in the “Obama Reign of Terror” narrative; but it isn’t even close to what is happening.

Believe what ever you want to, SM.

Mufasa

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote] theuofh wrote:

Since Bibi was just over here interfering in our political process, I think it’s only fair.

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This is absurd. Because he (allegedly) committed a diplomatic faux pas by not advising Obama about his visit, it’s “fair” that Obama sends an army of political hacks to throw an Israeli election? Are you serious?[/quote]

I thought the U.S. was justified in doing whatever it wants, whenever it wants, to whatever country it wants, when it deems it in its best interest. Including dropping bombs. Why all the concern now with fair play?

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote] theuofh wrote:

Since Bibi was just over here interfering in our political process, I think it’s only fair.

[/quote]

This is absurd. Because he (allegedly) committed a diplomatic faux pas by not advising Obama about his visit, it’s “fair” that Obama sends an army of political hacks to throw an Israeli election? Are you serious?[/quote]

I thought the U.S. was justified in doing whatever it wants, whenever it wants, to whatever country it wants, when it deems it in its best interest. Including dropping bombs. Why all the concern now with fair play? [/quote]

Ha ha! That’s actually a very good response. Touché. However, it’s my opinion that it’s in US interests to have Bibi in power not some Labor socialist PM.

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote] Mufasa wrote:

How exactly are a bunch of Political Hacks going to place Israel in jeopardy? Are Israel’s Politics and it’s Strong will to survive that fragile? (I think not).

[/quote]

This is pretty silly even for you mufasa. All countries have laws regarding campaign financing and foreign influence in domestic politics. They have these laws for a reason. It’s not a question of anything goes because their politics should be “strong enough”. Foreign countries should not be trying to throw the elections of another country. And that is exactly why the Obama administration is doing. My question above is open to you or anyone else:

What would you think if Bibi Netanyahu’s campaign staff and advisers fly to the US, bypassed US campaign laws and actively campaigned to throw a US election?[/quote]

It fits great in the “Obama Reign of Terror” narrative; but it isn’t even close to what is happening.

Believe what ever you want to, SM.

Mufasa

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I’m not talking about the “reign of terror” narrative. I’m talking about what is being reported in every major media source on the planet. You have dodged my question. Are you saying Obama’s campaign team are not trying to throw an Israeli election? Is that what you’re saying?

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote] theuofh wrote:

Since Bibi was just over here interfering in our political process, I think it’s only fair.

[/quote]

This is absurd. Because he (allegedly) committed a diplomatic faux pas by not advising Obama about his visit, it’s “fair” that Obama sends an army of political hacks to throw an Israeli election? Are you serious?[/quote]

I thought the U.S. was justified in doing whatever it wants, whenever it wants, to whatever country it wants, when it deems it in its best interest. Including dropping bombs. Why all the concern now with fair play? [/quote]

Ha ha! That’s actually a very good response. TouchÃ?©. However, it’s my opinion that it’s in US interests to have Bibi in power not some Labor socialist PM.[/quote]

:slight_smile: Carry on.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote] Mufasa wrote:

How exactly are a bunch of Political Hacks going to place Israel in jeopardy? Are Israel’s Politics and it’s Strong will to survive that fragile? (I think not).

[/quote]

Mufasa

This is pretty silly even for you mufasa. All countries have laws regarding campaign financing and foreign influence in domestic politics. They have these laws for a reason. It’s not a question of anything goes because their politics should be “strong enough”. Foreign countries should not be trying to throw the elections of another country. And that is exactly why the Obama administration is doing. My question above is open to you or anyone else:

What would you think if Bibi Netanyahu’s campaign staff and advisers fly to the US, bypassed US campaign laws and actively campaigned to throw a US election?[/quote]

It fits great in the “Obama Reign of Terror” narrative; but it isn’t even close to what is happening.

Believe what ever you want to, SM.

Mufasa

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I’m not talking about the “reign of terror” narrative. I’m talking about what is being reported in every major media source on the planet. You have dodged my question. Are you saying Obama’s campaign team are not trying to throw an Israeli election? Is that what you’re saying?[/quote]

Yes it is.

Mufasa

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote] Mufasa wrote:

How exactly are a bunch of Political Hacks going to place Israel in jeopardy? Are Israel’s Politics and it’s Strong will to survive that fragile? (I think not).

[/quote]

Mufasa

This is pretty silly even for you mufasa. All countries have laws regarding campaign financing and foreign influence in domestic politics. They have these laws for a reason. It’s not a question of anything goes because their politics should be “strong enough”. Foreign countries should not be trying to throw the elections of another country. And that is exactly why the Obama administration is doing. My question above is open to you or anyone else:

What would you think if Bibi Netanyahu’s campaign staff and advisers fly to the US, bypassed US campaign laws and actively campaigned to throw a US election?[/quote]

It fits great in the “Obama Reign of Terror” narrative; but it isn’t even close to what is happening.

Believe what ever you want to, SM.

Mufasa

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I’m not talking about the “reign of terror” narrative. I’m talking about what is being reported in every major media source on the planet. You have dodged my question. Are you saying Obama’s campaign team are not trying to throw an Israeli election? Is that what you’re saying?[/quote]

Yes it is.

Mufasa
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Can you direct me to the source of your information? I can’t find anyone denying it. Not The New York Times, not The Washington Post, not the UK Guardian. Where can I find a good article that demolishes these claims? The one you read would be good. Where did you learn that it’s not true?

[quote]Bismark wrote:
Don’t Fear a Sneak-Out
Why Iran Can’t Secretly Build the Bomb
JACQUES E. C. HYMANS

"[/quote]

Here is my question, Bismark. Even assuming the West gets a deal out of Iran, do you think they will abide by it, even in the medium term?

What if their goal is to put one of those “sneak-out” weapons in the hands of a loosely affiliated organisation?

They have continued to smuggle reactor parts during these negotiations. That does not strike me as bona fides.

[quote]Legalsteel wrote:

[quote]Bismark wrote:
Don’t Fear a Sneak-Out
Why Iran Can’t Secretly Build the Bomb
JACQUES E. C. HYMANS

"[/quote]

Here is my question, Bismark. Even assuming the West gets a deal out of Iran, do you think they will abide by it, even in the medium term?

What if their goal is to put one of those “sneak-out” weapons in the hands of a loosely affiliated organisation?

They have continued to smuggle reactor parts during these negotiations. That does not strike me as bona fides. [/quote]

They also tested a high explosive nuclear detonator at a purpose-built compound. And they’re working on a “space program” to send a “satellite” into orbit. Space program is a euphemism for Intercontinental Ballistic Missile program. People should bear in mind the Gulf War when Saddam started firing scud missiles at Saudi Arabia and Israel. In a war with Iran they may decide to start firing missiles into Europe. And they won’t be little scuds. They have advanced technology acquired from China, Russia, North Korea and the A Q Khan Network.

Pictures is a mobile missile launcher. These things are easily hidden to avoid Air to Surface and moved into action at a moment’s notice.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Yes, Netanyahu is “unreasonable” and “ill dignified”. Not Obama though. He’s a moderate right? Netanyahu is the greatest leader in the Western world today. He’s a Churchillian statesman. Obama is a little puke. And now he’s trying to throw an Israeli election. Just a question: if Netanyahu’s political machine came to the US and tried to throw a US election what would you be saying?[/quote]

My far-right comments referring to Netanyahu were prejudiced by some other stuff on the back of my mind.

There’s a fine line and I’ve gotten comfortable with the fact that money can explain a lot of things in politics, and that there still exists many loopholes for foreign involvement in not only politics, but campaign financing.

If the media was worth anything, it would be all over all these tidbits and blow them up all over the news potentially pissing more people off and changing the way they vote. Alas, most people really don’t get how it works, and would rather see some well engineered provocative, ass chaffing news blurb than try to figure out how it really works. I blame the media in no small part for the generally lowered bar.

Also, Robert Kagan himself was in the Washington Post pointing out how Bibi’s antics over the past months have failed the “Churchill Test”:

He has certain strong suits, but I wouldn’t call subtle diplomacy one of them.

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote] Mufasa wrote:

How exactly are a bunch of Political Hacks going to place Israel in jeopardy? Are Israel’s Politics and it’s Strong will to survive that fragile? (I think not).

[/quote]

This is pretty silly even for you mufasa. All countries have laws regarding campaign financing and foreign influence in domestic politics. They have these laws for a reason. It’s not a question of anything goes because their politics should be “strong enough”. Foreign countries should not be trying to throw the elections of another country. And that is exactly why the Obama administration is doing. My question above is open to you or anyone else:

What would you think if Bibi Netanyahu’s campaign staff and advisers fly to the US, bypassed US campaign laws and actively campaigned to throw a US election?[/quote]

It fits great in the “Obama Reign of Terror” narrative; but it isn’t even close to what is happening.

Believe what ever you want to, SM.

Mufasa[/quote]

This kind of thing really annoys me. You do similar posts all the time. "this isn’t close to what’s happening. Believe whatever you want to believe ____ ".

You’re an obviously intelligent guy, who is on record as stating that he doesn’t want to give his party affiliation or political beliefs for the most part. Fine. But—what I want to know is WHY you say it’s not even close to what’s actually happening. I don’t care about the “reign of terror” inflammation. But on this other subject, I want to know WHY you think this assessment isn’t close to what is really happening. WHAT do you think is actually closer to the the reality and WHY do you think that?

Because just saying “no that’s not what’s going on” is no real argument at all. Not even a real position. And you’re smarter than that.

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

This kind of thing really annoys me. You do similar posts all the time. "this isn’t close to what’s happening. Believe whatever you want to believe ____ ".

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That’s about the only response I’ve ever had from M. It’s usually a disparaging remark about the source without addressing the substance. In this instance the source is not mine and I haven’t even read it.

This is an article from The Washington Post:

And just a reminder; the WP is one of America’s oldest and most widely distributed papers. They broke the Watergate story in the 70’s and they’re universally regarded as a left-wing paper.

"In the mid-1970s, conservatives called the newspaper “Pravda on the Potomac” because of its perceived left-wing bias in both reporting and editorials. Since then, the appellation has been used by both liberal and conservative critics of the newspaper…

On October 17, 2008, [u]The Post endorsed Barack Obama for President of the United States.[48] On October 25, 2012, the newspaper endorsed the re-election of Barack Obama.[/u]

Rather unusual to not give one’s political beliefs in a political subforum discussing politics.

I tried twice and got nothing but a mouthful of Greek salad.

Yes, a strawman. The article in The Washington Post is my source on this occasion. But I expected nothing less from M. As I said, this is the only response I’ve ever had from him and my questions are ignored half the time. I only really reply because his comments need to be addressed.

Good luck getting any kind of meaningful response.

I don’t know how his posts here can be viewed as anything other than profoundly intellectually dishonest.

This stuff matters because this is the kind of mindset that has placed us all in the position we’re in. People should be held accountable for support of this administration. They are the ones who placed them in power.

You want to know what annoys me?

People who only post from sites and sources that support a certain narrative.

“Intellectual honesty” is almost laughable. Has there ever been ANYTHING that has been posted (without “nose holding”/winks/or a helluva’ lot of “buts”) that has either a) supported ANYTHING this President has done or b) doesn’t make him some part of some Grand Conspiracy to destroy (fill-in-the-blanks)?

Please. Don’t throw “intellectual honesty” in my face.

He’s out to destroy Israel and all that is Christian and good.

I get it.

Please , PLEASE I hope we nominate a Conservative President…I really do.

Mufasa

This is not about me Mufasa. It’s about the questions, two different posters have asked now and you have not responded. I’m not sure what other conclusion I can draw from that.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

This is an article from The Washington Post:

And just a reminder; the WP is one of America’s oldest and most widely distributed papers. They broke the Watergate story in the 70’s and they’re universally regarded as a left-wing paper.

"In the mid-1970s, conservatives called the newspaper “Pravda on the Potomac” because of its perceived left-wing bias in both reporting and editorials. Since then, the appellation has been used by both liberal and conservative critics of the newspaper…

On October 17, 2008, [u]The Post endorsed Barack Obama for President of the United States.[48] On October 25, 2012, the newspaper endorsed the re-election of Barack Obama.[/u]

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Are you trying to say that a generally left-leaning paper, who published an editorial by a right-leaning author, is trying to make a statement about Obama’s efficacy?

[quote]theuofh wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

This is an article from The Washington Post:

And just a reminder; the WP is one of America’s oldest and most widely distributed papers. They broke the Watergate story in the 70’s and they’re universally regarded as a left-wing paper.

"In the mid-1970s, conservatives called the newspaper “Pravda on the Potomac” because of its perceived left-wing bias in both reporting and editorials. Since then, the appellation has been used by both liberal and conservative critics of the newspaper…

On October 17, 2008, [u]The Post endorsed Barack Obama for President of the United States.[48] On October 25, 2012, the newspaper endorsed the re-election of Barack Obama.[/u]

[/quote]

Are you trying to say that a generally left-leaning paper, who published an editorial by a right-leaning author, is trying to make a statement about Obama’s efficacy?
[/quote]

The author is yes. But my point is this is not some right-wing invention. It’s being reported in the mainstream media. And I’m not aware of anyone who is denying it? How could they? Obama’s campaign manager and an army of his campaigners have set up shop in Israel and are trying to throw the election. Do you disagree that this is the case?

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]theuofh wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

This is an article from The Washington Post:

And just a reminder; the WP is one of America’s oldest and most widely distributed papers. They broke the Watergate story in the 70’s and they’re universally regarded as a left-wing paper.

"In the mid-1970s, conservatives called the newspaper “Pravda on the Potomac” because of its perceived left-wing bias in both reporting and editorials. Since then, the appellation has been used by both liberal and conservative critics of the newspaper…

On October 17, 2008, [u]The Post endorsed Barack Obama for President of the United States.[48] On October 25, 2012, the newspaper endorsed the re-election of Barack Obama.[/u]

[/quote]

Are you trying to say that a generally left-leaning paper, who published an editorial by a right-leaning author, is trying to make a statement about Obama’s efficacy?
[/quote]

The author is yes. But my point is this is not some right-wing invention. It’s being reported in the mainstream media. And I’m not aware of anyone who is denying it? How could they? Obama’s campaign manager and an army of his campaigners have set up shop in Israel and are trying to throw the election. Do you disagree that this is the case?[/quote]

No and I’ve already stated I’m generally OK with this.

I know you’re in a tricky situation being Australian, but as a self-avowed Nationalist and Traditionalist, how would you deal with this situation as an American?

[quote] theuofh wrote:

No and I’ve already stated I’m generally OK with this.

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You’re okay with a US President trying to throw an Israeli election? Okay. But you didn’t answer what you’d think about an Israeli PM trying to throw a US election.

I’m not sure what you mean. A tricky situation for me? How would I deal with what situation as an American?