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Obama Cronyism

And so it begins.

He hasn’t even taken office yet. I think the US is about to go for a long ride with the corrupt Chicago political scene.

One year in and Bush will be an angel in the greater publics eyes.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/22/obama-contact-gov-blagojevich/

Let me start this by saying I am not an Obama supporter, not at all. I think we need to be careful before we rush to judge. Emanuel seems to be a little fishy in the whole thing. I don’t think Obama had anything to do with this. What benefit does he get from this? He knew if he lost the election the seat was still his. He also knew if he won that a scandal like this could sabotage his presidency.

I may not like Obama, but the man is no dummy.

On the up side we have to get off the Bush Cheney ride first.

[quote]FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:
And so it begins.

He hasn’t even taken office yet. I think the US is about to go for a long ride with the corrupt Chicago political scene.

One year in and Bush will be an angel in the greater publics eyes.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/22/obama-contact-gov-blagojevich/ [/quote]

Dream on, white boy. Bush has run your country like an African tribal leader, appointing ‘good ol’ boys’ left right and center. Incompentent men. They have run your country (and the world) into the ground.

Keep reading Foxnews.

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:
And so it begins.

He hasn’t even taken office yet. I think the US is about to go for a long ride with the corrupt Chicago political scene.

One year in and Bush will be an angel in the greater publics eyes.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/22/obama-contact-gov-blagojevich/

Dream on, white boy. Bush has run your country like an African tribal leader, appointing ‘good ol’ boys’ left right and center. Incompentent men. They have run your country (and the world) into the ground.

Keep reading Foxnews.[/quote]

An incompetant man was just elected. he will continue to run our country into the ground with his senseless wrong headed ideas.

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:
And so it begins.

He hasn’t even taken office yet. I think the US is about to go for a long ride with the corrupt Chicago political scene.

One year in and Bush will be an angel in the greater publics eyes.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/22/obama-contact-gov-blagojevich/

Dream on, white boy. Bush has run your country like an African tribal leader, appointing ‘good ol’ boys’ left right and center. Incompentent men. They have run your country (and the world) into the ground.

Keep reading Foxnews.[/quote]

White boy I assume you are a black boy then?

It’s funny to me that most race issues surrounding the election, and most issues today in general, are purported by blacks. But that is another topic altogether.

I don’t think color has anything to do with Obama already being guilty of cronyism before even taking office.

I hope he doesn’t keep up the pace. He is already becoming the things people dislike about Bush.

And Bush did a great job all things considered. He was attacked by a terrorist group and responded as any respectable leader should, he dealt with major weather issues and really had a number of uncontrollable events to handle that would have been out of hand for anyone.

You can criticize him all you want but he was forced to react to situations presented to him and did so as well as anybody could have.

Yeah, he was forced to fabricate stories about WMDs in Iraq and their connections to global terrorism. He was forced to invade on these false pretenses. He was forced to condone torture in Guantanamo, etc. etc. Honestly, the man is a victim of circumstance.

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

Yeah, he was forced to fabricate stories about WMDs in Iraq and their connections to global terrorism. He was forced to invade on these false pretenses. He was forced to condone torture in Guantanamo, etc. etc. Honestly, the man is a victim of circumstance.[/quote]

He didn’t fabricate stories about WMDs, you do know that, right?

I weep for education these days.

[quote]Wreckless wrote:
FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:
And so it begins.

He hasn’t even taken office yet. I think the US is about to go for a long ride with the corrupt Chicago political scene.

One year in and Bush will be an angel in the greater publics eyes.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/22/obama-contact-gov-blagojevich/

Dream on, white boy. Bush has run your country like an African tribal leader, appointing ‘good ol’ boys’ left right and center. Incompentent men. They have run your country (and the world) into the ground.

Keep reading Foxnews.[/quote]

Well, white boy, Belgium’s not doing a hell of a lot better:
http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=Xhc&hl=en&q=islam+%2Bbelgium&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2440

Continue to project your problems onto us, by all means.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

Yeah, he was forced to fabricate stories about WMDs in Iraq and their connections to global terrorism. He was forced to invade on these false pretenses. He was forced to condone torture in Guantanamo, etc. etc. Honestly, the man is a victim of circumstance.

He didn’t fabricate stories about WMDs, you do know that, right?

I weep for education these days.

[/quote]

yea other people did it for him. makes it all better.

[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:

yea other people did it for him. makes it all better.[/quote]

Who intentionally fabricated the claim that WMDs were in Iraq knowing that they weren’t there?

Again, not the same as a mistake - an intentional lie when in possession of a different truth. So, who did? And how do you know?

Can’t wait for your answer.

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Yeah, he was forced to fabricate stories about WMDs in Iraq and their connections to global terrorism. He was forced to invade on these false pretenses. He was forced to condone torture in Guantanamo, etc. etc. Honestly, the man is a victim of circumstance.[/quote]

I’m very very sure we pulled more than enough nuclear material out of iraq to make a bomb.

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Yeah, he was forced to fabricate stories about WMDs in Iraq and their connections to global terrorism. He was forced to invade on these false pretenses. He was forced to condone torture in Guantanamo, etc. etc. Honestly, the man is a victim of circumstance.[/quote]

Torture smorture. You could consider spanking torture and parents do it all the time. Or even grounding and it’s method of friend, TV and radio deprivation. Or going to be with out dinner. Starvation I tell you! The describing the issues at guantanamo torture requires a large amount of subjectivity and the news channels are excellent at creating sensationalism around shit.

The issues that really were out of hand happened under the gaurd of a few select soldiers who were later punished accordingly. If I go to work today and punch a guy the next office over in the face, it isn’t my bosses fault even though I represent his organization. Blaming him would be ridiculous.

Who says he didn’t believe the false reports he recieved? THe shit bags are those who wrote the false reports, not Bush. And they did utilize chemical warfare in Iraq, bodies of Iraqi victims have shown this. I wouldn’t be shocked to find an appalling and dangerous level of secret information that is and will be classified for decades.

Bush did an excellent job responding to situations with naturally negative connotations that happened outside of his influence while president. You couldn’t have done better.

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:
And so it begins.

He hasn’t even taken office yet. I think the US is about to go for a long ride with the corrupt Chicago political scene.

One year in and Bush will be an angel in the greater publics eyes.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/22/obama-contact-gov-blagojevich/

Dream on, white boy. Bush has run your country like an African tribal leader, appointing ‘good ol’ boys’ left right and center. Incompentent men. They have run your country (and the world) into the ground.

Keep reading Foxnews.

Well, white boy, Belgium’s not doing a hell of a lot better:
http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=Xhc&hl=en&q=islam+%2Bbelgium&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2440

Continue to project your problems onto us, by all means.[/quote]

I am projecting them right now!!!

Maybe you should have stronger leaders who can control your country with out piggy backing others. Don’t forget we gave you the overall success Belgium experiences through strengthening the world economy overall through international policy heavily favoring the west, including Europe, and we saved you from the Nazi’s. We will take it back when we want to. Build up your own shit.

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[quote]zephead4747 wrote:

I’m very very sure we pulled more than enough nuclear material out of iraq to make a bomb.[/quote]

pretty sure we didn’t.

[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:

I’m very very sure we pulled more than enough nuclear material out of iraq to make a bomb.

pretty sure we didn’t.[/quote]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/

Yes, we did. It wasn’t refined yet though.

We probably should have waited for them to progress closer to having a functional atomic or at least dirty bomb before we did anything. /sarcasm

[quote]FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:
And so it begins.

He hasn’t even taken office yet. I think the US is about to go for a long ride with the corrupt Chicago political scene.

One year in and Bush will be an angel in the greater publics eyes.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/22/obama-contact-gov-blagojevich/ [/quote]

I’ll be damned … we agree on something

[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:

I’m very very sure we pulled more than enough nuclear material out of iraq to make a bomb.

pretty sure we didn’t.[/quote]

Yes, we did. The post below yours has a link.

What is wrong with torture anyway? Really…you live by the sword you die by the sword. Is that so wrong?