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NYC Doctors Prescribe Fresh Fruits and Vegetables


#1

"The doctor of the future will no longer treat the human frame with drugs, but rather will cure and prevent disease with nutrition."
â??Thomas Edison

It's about time that physicians recognized this.

www.npr.org/blogs/.../nyc-doctors-are-now-prescribing-fruits-and-veggies


#2

Most drugs simply allow people to continue living their crappy life styles without the immediate and apparent consequences. I think it will take a lot more than prescribing fruits and vegetables though. In addition people need to cut out the processed and refined foods and increase their activity level.


#3

People are resistant to change. Some are also lazy. Some refuse to educate themselves about proper personal care through diet and exercise. Some try to educate themselves, but are easily misled by a flawed medical community and/or the vast amounts of misinformation and outright lies that are repeatedly published on the subject of personal health.

Add to these factors the reality that our government, the medical establishment, insurance companies, and pharmaceutical companies are all making vast amounts of money from pushing drugs on a very willing consumer society, and you end up with a broken system that will not be changed. Things will not change because there is too much money to be collected from drugs and too many people want a quick fix rather than the truth.


#4

Health care vs Sick care.

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#5

[quote]BossKean wrote:
People are resistant to change. Some are also lazy. Some refuse to educate themselves about proper personal care through diet and exercise. Some try to educate themselves, but are easily misled by a flawed medical community and/or the vast amounts of misinformation and outright lies that are repeatedly published on the subject of personal health.

Add to these factors the reality that our government, the medical establishment, insurance companies, and pharmaceutical companies are all making vast amounts of money from pushing drugs on a very willing consumer society, and you end up with a broken system that will not be changed. Things will not change because there is too much money to be collected from drugs and too many people want a quick fix rather than the truth.[/quote]
What, money as a motivator? Viva la profit motive!


#6

Everyone wants the shortcut, the quick fix. People don’t want to do the hard work anymore to get the best results.

And it don’t even have to be major stuff. Walk up/down a flight or two of stairs at your office rather than take the elevator.

Stop eating that 2 piece & a biscuit at Popeye’s chicken and instead go to subway and get a veggie sandwich with no condiments.

Park at the far end of the parking lot at Wal-Mart and walk it. Rather than making a date at the movies, switch it up and go for a little hike.

It’s these little measures that add up to big results positive overtime. But unfortunately people don’t want to do the hard work or make any small sacrifices these days.

America is a “have your cake and eat it too” type of culture.

They rather staple their stomachs, take pills, and or use some other method of artificially decrease the weight…which is okay if a person feels that’s the only way to shed pounds.

But ultimately those artificial measures are self-defeating, if the lifestyle that lead to the huge weight in the first place hasn’t been altered.


#7

[quote]nebil12 wrote:
Park at the far end of the parking lot at Wal-Mart and walk it.
[/quote]

I agreed with just about everything you wrote but this. Really, just don’t shop at Wal-Mart in the first place.


#8

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]nebil12 wrote:
Park at the far end of the parking lot at Wal-Mart and walk it.
[/quote]

I agreed with just about everything you wrote but this. Really, just don’t shop at Wal-Mart in the first place.[/quote]

I am not crazy about Wal-mart but vast majority of people shop at WalMart .


#9

[quote]nebil12 wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]nebil12 wrote:
Park at the far end of the parking lot at Wal-Mart and walk it.
[/quote]

I agreed with just about everything you wrote but this. Really, just don’t shop at Wal-Mart in the first place.[/quote]

I am not crazy about Wal-mart but vast majority of people shop at WalMart .[/quote]

Yeah, kinda depends on where you live too.

When I lived in central and southern Missouri, that was pretty much the only game in town. And they were pretty nice places. Now that I’m up north, nobody I know shops there.

But the Wal-Marts down south are much much nicer places than the ones up here. Here, they’re on par with a run-down K-Mart.

The produce sections here are worse than just not eating fruits vegetables in the first place.


#10

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]nebil12 wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]nebil12 wrote:
Park at the far end of the parking lot at Wal-Mart and walk it.
[/quote]

I agreed with just about everything you wrote but this. Really, just don’t shop at Wal-Mart in the first place.[/quote]

I am not crazy about Wal-mart but vast majority of people shop at WalMart .[/quote]

Yeah, kinda depends on where you live too.

When I lived in central and southern Missouri, that was pretty much the only game in town. And they were pretty nice places. Now that I’m up north, nobody I know shops there.

But the Wal-Marts down south are much much nicer places than the ones up here. Here, they’re on par with a run-down K-Mart.

The produce sections here are worse than just not eating fruits vegetables in the first place.[/quote]

I’m in the norther mid west and a ton of ppl shop at wal mart.

Agreed with the long post of little tweaks. Also util the general public starts wanting to work on prevention drugs and sick care will,continue.


#11

[quote]BossKean wrote:
Some try to educate themselves, but are easily misled by a flawed medical community and/or the vast amounts of misinformation and outright lies that are repeatedly published on the subject of personal health. [/quote]

The article discusses fruits and veggie “prescriptions” for the overweight and obese. What do you feel constitutes the flaws of the medical community and the misinformation or outright lies repeatedly published on the subject of weight loss?


#12

Diet and exercise doesn’t fix everything.


#13

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]nebil12 wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]nebil12 wrote:
Park at the far end of the parking lot at Wal-Mart and walk it.
[/quote]

I agreed with just about everything you wrote but this. Really, just don’t shop at Wal-Mart in the first place.[/quote]

I am not crazy about Wal-mart but vast majority of people shop at WalMart .[/quote]

Yeah, kinda depends on where you live too.

When I lived in central and southern Missouri, that was pretty much the only game in town. And they were pretty nice places. Now that I’m up north, nobody I know shops there.

But the Wal-Marts down south are much much nicer places than the ones up here. Here, they’re on par with a run-down K-Mart.

The produce sections here are worse than just not eating fruits vegetables in the first place.[/quote]

I’m in the norther mid west and a ton of ppl shop at wal mart.

Agreed with the long post of little tweaks. Also util the general public starts wanting to work on prevention drugs and sick care will,continue.
[/quote]

You are an hypocrite because steroids are bad for your liver. Also is it me or there is a direct correlation between bad grammar on a bodybuilding forum and known AAS usage?


#14

[quote]iflyboats wrote:
Diet and exercise doesn’t fix everything.[/quote]

Not at all. Modern medicine performs feats on a daily basis that would have appeared miraculous in Mr. Edison’s day.

However, all the most prevalent health risks facing western society can be significantly mitigated if not prevented outright through good dietary and exercise habits. These avenues have been almost completely ignored by the medical establishment for some time. I’m grateful that they’re beginning to wake up, however slowly.


#15

[quote]batman730 wrote:
These avenues have been almost completely ignored by the medical establishment for some time. I’m grateful that they’re beginning to wake up, however slowly.[/quote]

You’ve met quite a few doctors who have trivialized the role of diet and exercise in living a healthy life?


#16

[quote]jasmincar wrote:
Also is it me or there is a direct correlation between bad grammar on a bodybuilding forum and known AAS usage? [/quote]

Maybe. But there’s also a correlation between bad grammar on a bodybuilding forum and typing with an iphone/ipad.


#17

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:
These avenues have been almost completely ignored by the medical establishment for some time. I’m grateful that they’re beginning to wake up, however slowly.[/quote]

You’ve met quite a few doctors who have trivialized the role of diet and exercise in living a healthy life?[/quote]

Referring mostly to the where their training is.

However, I’ve met a lot of doctors and seen a lot of treatment protocols. Emphasis on nutrition is more of an afterthought in my experience. Pharmacology/surgery is way more in their wheelhouse, again, in my experience.


#18

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:
These avenues have been almost completely ignored by the medical establishment for some time. I’m grateful that they’re beginning to wake up, however slowly.[/quote]

You’ve met quite a few doctors who have trivialized the role of diet and exercise in living a healthy life?[/quote]

Referring mostly to the where their training is.

However, I’ve met a lot of doctors and seen a lot of treatment protocols. Emphasis on nutrition is more of an afterthought in my experience. Pharmacology/surgery is way more in their wheelhouse, again, in my experience.[/quote]

In the words of an actual doctor, “that’s why we refer people to RDs (registered dieticians)”. About the only doctors actually qualified to give nutrition advice beyond the basic “eat healthy” mantra are GI specialists.

It’s not trivialized by any means, but it’s not something they’re trained in. I’d venture a guess that the average T-Nation forum member has a better grasp of nutrition than the average doctor. It’s really just not what doctors do… as much as we may want that to be true.


#19

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:
These avenues have been almost completely ignored by the medical establishment for some time. I’m grateful that they’re beginning to wake up, however slowly.[/quote]

You’ve met quite a few doctors who have trivialized the role of diet and exercise in living a healthy life?[/quote]

Referring mostly to the where their training is.

However, I’ve met a lot of doctors and seen a lot of treatment protocols. Emphasis on nutrition is more of an afterthought in my experience. Pharmacology/surgery is way more in their wheelhouse, again, in my experience.[/quote]

You know whats fucked up? I know of two women who have had a gastric bypass surgery, which is essentially the last stop of medical intervention for weight loss. To qualify, they had to go through counselling, dietary therapies and prescribed exercise regiments, all of which they failed with flying colors.

Through it all they were, however, able to keep their weight within a pretty tight criteria to remain qualified for the surgery. In other words, they were able to control and manipulate all of the dietary factors that made them otherwise un-treatable in order to get what they wanted.

Post surgery they have both lost an incredible amount of weight and have very disciplined dietary and exercise programs.


#20

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:
These avenues have been almost completely ignored by the medical establishment for some time. I’m grateful that they’re beginning to wake up, however slowly.[/quote]

You’ve met quite a few doctors who have trivialized the role of diet and exercise in living a healthy life?[/quote]

I have a family full of obese, sedentary heart disease ‘victims’ and a healthy diet and exercise has always been emphasized by their doctors, even going back 20 years, but usually ignored (or to be fair sometimes exercise is attempted but quit because of knee/back pain from years of inactivity). Over the years the definition of ‘healthy diet’ have been questionable but I don’t think it has even been something that doctors ignore at all.

Along with the great heart health my family enjoys, they also suffer from many digestive and gastrointestinal disorders and similarly when prescribed dietary changes and exercise, they complain that the doctors are useless and carry on eating chips and pop and lots of crap.