T Nation

NSA's Surveillance Program to the Supreme Court

“The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) was put into place in the 1970s to install safeguards to keep Americans safe from unlawful eavesdropping. Following the terrorist attacks of September 11, though, the George W. Bush administration ordered amendments to the law that have ever since allowed the NSA to monitor the communications of any US citizen as long as the government suspects that they are corresponding with anyone outside of the country.”

http://rt.com/usa/news/surveillance-fisa-supreme-wiretap-324/

“FISA amendments open up literally any American citizen to government surveillance as long as their emails, phone calls or instant messages are sent to someone abroad, whether it?s a cousin in Canada or an employee working overseas.”

This is alarming any thoughts on the Supreme Court case?

Well you know what? The government would be doing it with or without the law allowing them to. The only thing the law does is allow them to use it against you in court.

It comes down to civil liberties. After Obama promised to bring them back, and then smiled as he signed the Patriot act renewal and NDAA, I pretty much gave up hope of ever getting them back. Not that they were doing all this before, they were. Now they can just use it against you rather than have to “find” different evidence.

So many people in this country are more than willing to throw away their liberty and justice given to them that I know we are never giving them back.

There is no more “innocent until proven guilty”. Now all you need is “allegedly” and your life is over. Everyone wants to ban guns… No one cares the press is colluding with the government. No one cares there are politically funded organizations attacking media outlets that report something other than the state approved narrative. People support the banning of large drinks. People ask for over regulation and want their lives dictated to them. People want the illusion of freedom, because actual freedom is hard work…

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Well you know what? The government would be doing it with or without the law allowing them to. The only thing the law does is allow them to use it against you in court.

It comes down to civil liberties. After Obama promised to bring them back, and then smiled as he signed the Patriot act renewal and NDAA, I pretty much gave up hope of ever getting them back. Not that they were doing all this before, they were. Now they can just use it against you rather than have to “find” different evidence.

So many people in this country are more than willing to throw away their liberty and justice given to them that I know we are never giving them back.

There is no more “innocent until proven guilty”. Now all you need is “allegedly” and your life is over. Everyone wants to ban guns… No one cares the press is colluding with the government. No one cares there are politically funded organizations attacking media outlets that report something other than the state approved narrative. People support the banning of large drinks. People ask for over regulation and want their lives dictated to them. People want the illusion of freedom, because actual freedom is hard work…

[/quote]
The allegedly part of your statement is correct for certain. I was listening to a national sports radio show last night coming how from work and the topic was something like how many second or third or fourth chances should we give athletes. Coming up in relation to the honey badger or whatever the jackass is called from LSU that got caught with 10 pounds of weed.

One of the hosts brings up Kobe Bryant got a second chance…and then seemed perplexed when a caller pointed out it wasn’t a second chance seeing that Bryant was exonerated. She still didn’t seem to get this after he reiterated several times that Bryant in fact didn’t need a second chance because he hadn’t committed any crime and eventually she just glossed over it and went on.

See the same thing often when charges are brought in a high profile case its huge front page news then when someone is found not guilty or charges get dropped the following stories if they exist at all are always smaller.

Arguably I’d say we never really had justice in much of the country since justice is only blind if you have a bit of coin, but people certainly love to give their liberties away in the face of a bit of fear.

Agreed. This is a serious issue and Dennis Kucinich cannot be the only politician warning people about this poorly vetted power. Assumption of guilt predisposes people to a whole array of issues. An orwellian nightmare slowly manifesting itself. If John Roberts, Antoni Scolia and Clarence Thomas are strict constitutionalists then this is their chance to prove it.