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NSAC 'Random' Testing

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=6143&zoneid=13

Apparently the NSAC has begun their ‘random’ drug testing which is designed to prevent athletes from cycling off their drugs in time to be clean for an event. So far Penn, Shane Mosley, and Zab Judah have been tested.

I see this as a positive move, but also one of the reasons some of the fighters have looked ‘soft’ compared to their previous physiques. I for one think it would be hilarious if Sherk showed up looking a little chunky instead of ripped up.

I think that its a good measure to test randomly, making it more difficult to break the rules. I have no problem with steroid use, but using for tested events is a really low thing to do.

[quote]Defekt wrote:
I think that its a good measure to test randomly, making it more difficult to break the rules. I have no problem with steroid use, but using for tested events is a really low thing to do.[/quote]

Less so tho when there’s no alternative league that allows it. In powerlifting, if you want to use, yo ugo to a fed that doesnt test. in mma, you dont have that choice. Ideally, it would be up to the competitors, ie if they both agreed, then it would be fine. If one didnt agree, then they couldnt use, but the other would get to stipulate something else about the training, like “nobody’s allowed to sleep in hyperbaric(sp?) tents” or something, haha

Sean Sherk was also tested, but there has been a delay in getting his results back. I swear to fucking God, if Penn/Sherk gets canceled because he pissed hot, I will kill everyone.

Also, let me just say I do not agree with this at all. I found it preposterous and intrusive.

[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Defekt wrote:
I think that its a good measure to test randomly, making it more difficult to break the rules. I have no problem with steroid use, but using for tested events is a really low thing to do.

Less so tho when there’s no alternative league that allows it. In powerlifting, if you want to use, yo ugo to a fed that doesnt test. in mma, you dont have that choice. Ideally, it would be up to the competitors, ie if they both agreed, then it would be fine. If one didnt agree, then they couldnt use, but the other would get to stipulate something else about the training, like “nobody’s allowed to sleep in hyperbaric(sp?) tents” or something, haha[/quote]

I agree that it is a shame for the guys who are on gear. But, its still complete BULLSHIT to compete in a natural event when chemically enhanced. There really is no justifying it. If it is known that the league/organization/whatever does not allow the use of AAS then it it complete deuchebaggery to use and then compete in their events. Yeah there are no alternative leagues that allow it, they should suck it up and not use, or drop out of being a professional fighter.

[quote]Defekt wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
Defekt wrote:
I think that its a good measure to test randomly, making it more difficult to break the rules. I have no problem with steroid use, but using for tested events is a really low thing to do.

Less so tho when there’s no alternative league that allows it. In powerlifting, if you want to use, yo ugo to a fed that doesnt test. in mma, you dont have that choice. Ideally, it would be up to the competitors, ie if they both agreed, then it would be fine. If one didnt agree, then they couldnt use, but the other would get to stipulate something else about the training, like “nobody’s allowed to sleep in hyperbaric(sp?) tents” or something, haha

I agree that it is a shame for the guys who are on gear. But, its still complete BULLSHIT to compete in a natural event when chemically enhanced. There really is no justifying it. If it is known that the league/organization/whatever does not allow the use of AAS then it it complete deuchebaggery to use and then compete in their events. Yeah there are no alternative leagues that allow it, they should suck it up and not use, or drop out of being a professional fighter.

[/quote]

Well, I’m not going to attempt to justify cheating, since you’re right, that’s what it is, but there are two points to this.

One, mma is much different from other professional organizations in that fighters are much more “temp” workers than say an nfl player who is under contract year round, insured against injury, provided with training support, etc. Because of this the ufc and nsac have a lot less say over the fighters’ lives than the nfl does over its players. To take this point into the gray area, if youre a fighter living and competing in brazil (where, to the best of my knowledge, steroids are legal) what happens if you are not currently under contract, but are hoping to get a call from the ufc? Nothing’s guaranteed, should your use still be restricted.

Two, St Augustine is often quoted as writing “an unjust law is no law.” I’ll keep this brief as it could be debated all day, but what is the justification for outlawing steroids in sports? That it gives an unfair advantage? How is it unfair if both fighters (eg sherk and franca) are on? Further, while it may be a competitive advantage, what makes steroids “unfair” but any other NUMBER of advantages - altitude training, hyperbaric tents, better training crews, better coaching, better genetics - “fair?”

Again, under the current system it is cheating. But I wish that this stuff would at least be discussed and not treated as such a black-and-white, open-and-shut, closed case.

I agree that it should also be discussed. In the circumstance with the brizilian fighter that you mentioned, if I were him I would either start cycling off as soon as the possibility came up to make it a more fair fight, or I wouldn’t compete.

If both fighters were “on” that would definantly push pressure onto everyone to use making it almost mandatory to use AAS. Messing with your body’s endocrine system is quite different than supplementing with other things. Things are banned for a reason, and whether or not those reasons are good reasons isn’t up to me.

Personally I think that the steroid ban in certain athletics should be reevaluated, but I still stand by my statement that using in a tested sport and not getting caught is low.

Ignoring steroids, my problem with this is that they are also testing for recreational drugs. The entire reason for “testing” is to gaurantee the safety of the fighters in the fight. That is the only reason athletic comissions and regulation exist: To protect fighters from promoters and to gaurantee the safest environment in the cage as possible. They are not some fucking great nanny, and now that they are testing fighters for marijuana and alcohol randomly throughout the year they have become one and over stepped their bounds. If a fighter isn’t drunk, or isn’t high in the ring, how does that effect their safety in the bout?

they better test the day after they fight then or else all their afterparties will get canceled and thats the best part

[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Ignoring steroids, my problem with this is that they are also testing for recreational drugs. The entire reason for “testing” is to gaurantee the safety of the fighters in the fight. That is the only reason athletic comissions and regulation exist: To protect fighters from promoters and to gaurantee the safest environment in the cage as possible. They are not some fucking great nanny, and now that they are testing fighters for marijuana and alcohol randomly throughout the year they have become one and over stepped their bounds. If a fighter isn’t drunk, or isn’t high in the ring, how does that effect their safety in the bout? [/quote]

I agree completely. Going back to the Brazilian fighter thing. What if the guy smokes a little weed in a country that its completly legal to do so. No one who wants to win is going to go into a fight high as a kite. No reason any recreational drugs should be tested for.

[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Also, let me just say I do not agree with this at all. I found it preposterous and intrusive.[/quote]

Church. This is sooo weak. Penn came back clean so now just cross your fingers for Sherk.

Edit: Let me clarify. I think testing before a fight is fine and fair, but random testing - including testing for recreational drugs is crossing the line.

I used to be pro-steroids and anti-testing for mma. However, after thinking about the situation I have re-evaluated my position. Basically it comes down to a matter of health and risk, if you allow steroids by not testing, you are basically creating a situation where athletes will have to take steroids to be competitive.

I do believe that steroids can be used in a safe manner, but I also believe that athletes should not be placed in a situation where they have to use them to be in the sport.

Also, they don’t test in Japan, so K-1 Heroes and Dream are options for those who want to use and compete.

The recreational drug thing is ridiculous, and makes me wonder if there was a ‘heads up’ given on the test as I’m surprised, bordering on shocked, that BJ didn’t come up hot for weed.

[quote]slimjim wrote:
The recreational drug thing is ridiculous, and makes me wonder if there was a ‘heads up’ given on the test as I’m surprised, bordering on shocked, that BJ didn’t come up hot for weed.[/quote]

Hah, that was my first though as well. If anything I think it is indicative of how serious he is training, because the BJ of two years ago would have been high during the test.

Well, apparently the fight is on:

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=6196&zoneid=2

A little odd, apparently that article was incorrect as Sherk’s results are not in yet:

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=6205&zoneid=13

Tito’s the latest to be tested:

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=6204&zoneid=13

[quote]
Former Ultimate Fighting Championship light heavyweight titleholder Tito Ortiz was the latest mixed martial artist drug tested under the Nevada State Athletic Commission�??s new out-of-competition testing procedure. According to NSAC executive director Keith Kizer, Ortiz�??s test results were negative.

Kizer indicated that the commission also intends to test Ortiz�??s opponent, Lyoto Machida.

B.J. Penn and Sean Sherk were reportedly the first mixed martial artists tested under the new policy. Also tested were boxers Shane Mosley and Zab Judah. All four fighters tested clean.

Ortiz and Machida face each other as part of the undercard of UFC 84 on May 24. Current UFC lightweight champion Penn defends against former champion Sherk in the evening�??s main event.[/quote]

Interesting about Sherk…

Well I guess Sherk is cleared. Interesting that this was a part of his licensing process, so I guess he knew when the test was going to occur. Not quite random per se, but still he passed.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=6220&zoneid=2

[quote]

Following some confusion over the recent drug test results of former Ultimate Fighting Championship lightweight titleholder Sean Sherk in Nevada, the official results are in.

Keith Kizer, the executive director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, told MMAWeekly.com on Tuesday via email, �??The NSAC received Mr. Sherk�??s steroid and drug test results this morning and they were all negative.�??

Initial reports last week had stated that Sherk had already been cleared as part of Nevada�??s new out-of-competition testing process. Kizer on Friday, however, notified MMAWeekly.com that, �??Mr. Sherk was tested as a condition of licensure. We have not yet received the results of that test, the sample for which was given on or about April 22, 2008.�??

The negative result confirms that Sherk has been cleared for licensure and will be able to challenge B.J. Penn, the current UFC lightweight champion, on May 24 in the main event of UFC 84 in Las Vegas.

Sherk was suspended in California for failing a drug test following his victory over Hermes Franca on July 7 in Sacramento. He was subsequently stripped of the title. As of April 14, he fulfilled the terms of his suspension in California and was removed from the active suspension list.

As previously reported, Penn was tested by Nevada as part of the new out-of-competition procedure. His test results came back negative on April 23 according to Kizer.

Former UFC light heavyweight champion Tito Ortiz was also drug tested recently and returned negative results. Kizer indicated that the commission also intends to test Ortiz�??s opponent, Lyoto Machida.[/quote]