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NRCC and Spam Calling

Will someone please remind the NRCC that there is a do-not-call list for a reason? And that smear messages about democrats do not make them exempt from those reasons?

http://www.wmur.com/news/10237386/detail.html

http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/local/15898729.htm

http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2006/11/01/how_do_you_like_those_nasty_telephone_calls_from_the_campaigns/

http://www3.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO33180/

I really really REALLY want to hear a good reason that justifies this.

There is no good justification. But why single out Republicans? Having not even googled for complaints specifically against Democrats, I noticed this in one or your links…

“As much as people complain about getting automated calls and saying they don’t work, every politician is doing them,” said Jerry Dorchuck, whose Pennsylvania-based Political Marketing International will make about 200,000 such phone calls each hour for MOSTLY DEMOCRATIC candidates. “Targeted calls play a key in very close races”
http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2006/11/01/how_do_you_like_those_nasty_telephone_calls_from_the_campaigns/

Seems to me both parties are using this tatic. I agree, both parties should stop.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
There is no good justification. But why single out Republicans? Having not even google for complaints specifically against Democrats, I noticed this in one or your links…

“As much as people complain about getting automated calls and saying they don’t work, every politician is doing them,” said Jerry Dorchuck, whose Pennsylvania-based Political Marketing International will make about 200,000 such phone calls each hour for MOSTLY DEMOCRATIC candidates. “Targeted calls play a key in very close races”
http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2006/11/01/how_do_you_like_those_nasty_telephone_calls_from_the_campaigns/

Seems to me both parties are using this tatic. I agree, both parties should stop.[/quote]

Yeah, dems do it too, couple of differences:

The DNCC said it had 1 robocall setup for $500 (I am trying to look up reports of more robocalls funded by the DNCC, will let you know what I find).

The RNCC has spent hundreds of thousands (the article you linked to states $2.1mil) on robocalls.

I don’t know the flavour of the robocalls from democratic candidates, but the ones from the RNCC seem to be mostly smear calls against the dems, using the democratic candidate’s name at the beginning. A little misleading don’t you think?

[quote]Sloth wrote:
There is no good justification. But why single out Republicans? Having not even google for complaints specifically against Democrats, I noticed this in one or your links…

“As much as people complain about getting automated calls and saying they don’t work, every politician is doing them,” said Jerry Dorchuck, whose Pennsylvania-based Political Marketing International will make about 200,000 such phone calls each hour for MOSTLY DEMOCRATIC candidates. “Targeted calls play a key in very close races”
http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2006/11/01/how_do_you_like_those_nasty_telephone_calls_from_the_campaigns/

Seems to me both parties are using this tatic. I agree, both parties should stop.[/quote]
Uhhgg…
Both parties use robo calls.
One party has a deliberate campaign to harass voters with phone calls designed to appear as if they were from democrats. All funded by the NRCC for the sole purpose of supressing voters.

Kind of a huge difference, don’t ya think?

Could you provide an example of this? The alleged cases I’m seeing go like this…“One of the calls features a woman who opens by saying “Hello. I’m calling with information about Paul Hodes,” the Democrat challenging Republican U.S. Rep. Charles Bass. She goes on to criticize his position on rolling back some of the recent federal tax cuts and ends by saying the call was paid for by the National Republican Congressional Committee.”

I see allegations that because the names of the opponents come first (preceeded by, “about” not, “from”), this is some kind of trick. Yet, the messages from what I’m reading, go directly into attacks on the the opponent. And ends with the usual paid for by the NRCC message. Are there instances in which these phone calls are pretending to be Democrats? Maybe I’m not pulling those up under my searches.

Basically, if the objective is to criticize the oppenents record on tax cuts, as one phone message did, why wouldn’t you name the person you’re discussing in the beginning?

Are there instances of impersonation I’m missing?

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Basically, if the objective is to criticize the oppenents record on tax cuts, as one phone message did, why wouldn’t you name the person you’re discussing in the beginning?

Are there instances of impersonation I’m missing?[/quote]

Why don’t they say who the message is from first though? From what I read that is how these calls are supposed to work, have to say your name 1st.

So tell me, why aren’t they saying “This is a call from the National Republican Congressional Committee”? Oh, that’s right, cos then the people that don’t want to hear these calls would get pissed off at them…

[quote]Ren wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Basically, if the objective is to criticize the oppenents record on tax cuts, as one phone message did, why wouldn’t you name the person you’re discussing in the beginning?

Are there instances of impersonation I’m missing?

Why don’t they say who the message is from first though? From what I read that is how these calls are supposed to work, have to say your name 1st.

So tell me, why aren’t they saying “This is a call from the National Republican Congressional Committee”? Oh, that’s right, cos then the people that don’t want to hear these calls would get pissed off at them…[/quote]

A good question. Is that how Democrat ‘robo-calls’ are done? Not a tit for tat question. I’m merely interested in what the usual practice is, when the call is targeted against an opponents’s record.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Ren wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Basically, if the objective is to criticize the oppenents record on tax cuts, as one phone message did, why wouldn’t you name the person you’re discussing in the beginning?

Are there instances of impersonation I’m missing?

Why don’t they say who the message is from first though? From what I read that is how these calls are supposed to work, have to say your name 1st.

So tell me, why aren’t they saying “This is a call from the National Republican Congressional Committee”? Oh, that’s right, cos then the people that don’t want to hear these calls would get pissed off at them…

A good question. Is that how Democrat ‘robo-calls’ are done? Not a tit for tat question. I’m merely interested in what the usual practice is, when the call is targeted against an opponents’s record.[/quote]

Trying to figure that out myself. the NDCC says it only payed for 1 series of robocalls valued at $500, trying to figure out if that is the truth or not.

I am also looking into robocalls done by individual candidates on both sides to see how they are doing it (whether its smear calls or not, and if they open with their opponents names).

But still, it is a very misleading tactic they way the NRCC did it.